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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2010, 11:44:33 am »
@#!*% I got a response from them on WHY they blocked downgrading





Alec,

Thank you for your reply.

With the latest OS, we have added several new features and functions. Also, running the latest OS ensures you receive the best customer service since this is the OS we recommend to all our customers.

As for why you can't downgrade past OS 1.7, this is something I cannot answer. If you'd like, I can forwarded your inquiry to my Technical Escalations team who work with the TI-Nspire family developers. They may (or may not) be able to get an answer to your inquiry.

Warmest Regards,

Doug Fincher
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2010, 11:47:25 am »
That's not a reason, that's an excuse. :P
As for Technical Escalations, as I said on Cemetech, don't expect any good answer.
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2010, 12:02:01 pm »
Yeah, im not gonna bother
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2010, 12:08:30 pm »
lol.  I e-mailed them asking how to downgrade, seeming like I didn't even know Ndless existed (I asked how to downgrade to 1.3) and they just said it is not possible without supplying any good reason.

Also, they will never respond to your e-mail again, and if they do the response will be similar.
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2010, 12:20:39 pm »
Woot, nice one apcalc
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2010, 12:22:05 pm »
I don't see why'd you ever want to email them again anyway :P
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2010, 03:04:59 pm »
Yeah, given they told the total RAM available for the 84+SE was 24 KB to Calcdude84se, I think e-mailing TI is pretty useless anyway. I doubt they would give you info.
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2010, 05:25:22 pm »
They respond to out problems like the problems are "features"
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2010, 06:29:17 pm »
Well of course, TI is not going to say "yeah, we took the ability off, because we didn't want you running unsigned code, so please don't. :)"

I mean, why would they?
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2010, 07:34:02 pm »
Quote from: graphmastur on July 20, 2010, 06:29:17 pm
Well of course, TI is not going to say "yeah, we took the ability off, because we didn't want you running unsigned code, so please don't. :)"

I mean, why would they?

Well, considering some of the other things they have done in the past, you never know. ;)
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2010, 01:47:46 am »
Hey, so I'm pretty bored so I thought I would try to get some answers out of TI just for kicks, so I figured I would try to see why they removed backwards compatibility. Just a couple questions before I do. What is the difference between the CAS and non-CAS? Which is the operating system for? The whole issue is that you can't downgrade below OS v1.7 right? What operating system is Ndless for?
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2010, 02:10:59 am »
I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2010, 02:12:19 am »
I guess no one will be able to answer or someone will tell you he cannot answer your question
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2010, 02:27:35 am »
Quote from: juju2143 on July 21, 2010, 02:10:59 am
I wonder what would happen if you directly asked TI about unsigned code stuff, Ndless or even asking them to send you the signing keys... Is someone enough jackass to call them about that? I'm sure they will forward you one billion times before reaching someone smart enough to understand what you are saying. At least. Then the rest will be unexpected, in the worst case they will send you a DCMA notice or just give you some stupid answer.
You know what, I'm actually thinking about doing this.  ::)
I don't have an Nspire, but I think it would be interesting if I ask them so bluntly that they would actually have to have someone type out an answer instead of just running their auto-answer program (written completely in TI-BASIC so that you have to wait 2 weeks for a response).
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Re: TI'S Response to our outrage
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2010, 02:30:53 am »
Just try to make sure to not accidentally too much information to them, though, else it could backfire on the entire community (if they somehow got able to come up with 10x more ways to block 3rd party dev, using your e-mails)
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