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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2011, 10:32:08 pm »
The Nspire could be better if we could find a way to open it up to development
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2011, 11:48:04 pm »
Quote from: ruler501 on May 26, 2011, 10:32:08 pm
The Nspire could be better if we could find a way to open it up to development

Yes, but ti is very persistent in only letting us do the programing that they approve of and I don't want them controlling me that way.  Perhaps I am wrong about this but I just don't see butting heads with ti as being productive in the long run and my message to ti is: Ok, you are not going to completely open your nspire to programing, so fine, keep your nspire.  I'll use something else.   
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2011, 11:53:41 pm »
Dingus, remember, though, to not try to discourage people from making games for the Nspire on the forums, though, especially the ones who already own a TI-Nspire. As much as we hate TI in general, we need to continue supporting the people who contribute for the TI community no matter what calculator they use or program for.

I remember someone on United-TI who wanted UTI to close the entire TI-Nspire section of their site and delete all posts, even if some people were still posting there sometimes. I feel it was rather counter-productive for the TI community. I personally will encourage people to get a Prizm instead of a CX, but I will not try to badmouth people who decide to go otherwise.

I personally do not have plans to get a CX now, unless I can get one for cheap on Ebay. I'm fine with my other calcs, especially my Prizm and 84+.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2011, 12:44:28 pm »
Quote from: ruler501 on May 26, 2011, 10:32:08 pm
The Nspire could be better if we could find a way to open it up to development

yeah the CX's specs are pretty much awesome, colours, fast processor, lots of memory.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2011, 01:28:21 pm »
Quote from: DJ_O on May 26, 2011, 11:53:41 pm
Dingus, remember, though, to not try to discourage people from making games for the Nspire on the forums, though, especially the ones who already own a TI-Nspire. As much as we hate TI in general, we need to continue supporting the people who contribute for the TI community no matter what calculator they use or program for.

I remember someone on United-TI who wanted UTI to close the entire TI-Nspire section of their site and delete all posts, even if some people were still posting there sometimes. I feel it was rather counter-productive for the TI community. I personally will encourage people to get a Prizm instead of a CX, but I will not try to badmouth people who decide to go otherwise.

I personally do not have plans to get a CX now, unless I can get one for cheap on Ebay. I'm fine with my other calcs, especially my Prizm and 84+.

Good point DJ_O.  Sorry if my message came across as discouraging to the people who are making games for the Nspire.  That was not my intent.  I was just expressing my way of dealing with the frustrations ti has caused.  There has been some extemely very valuable work done by the very talented people here who are working with the nspire and I appreciate the developments that they have achieved. 
I also do not have plans to get a CX as I am satisfied with my 84SE, Voyage200 and the Prizm for future programing efforts.     
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2011, 01:36:27 pm »
Slightly OT: The nSpire has great potential. It is only limited by the company's unethical limiting practices. But I still don't understand why the nSpire is "held back", even though the "standard" is an 84 or 84SE. I mean, if engineers and math enthusiasts are the general users of the nSpire, then why limit them? It's most likely that TI wants to stay within the SAT limits for a calculator, but that test only comes once (or twice) in a lifetime for students. After that, they're in college or at a job. And at that point, the limits will only hurt more since they deter functionality so much.

I'll change my standpoint to that we should embrace both "standards", test the new LUA and see how limited it is. Then we will wait to see which standard will prevail over the other.

Fun fact: For mac, the nSpire desktop program was written in Java.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2011, 01:45:30 pm »
Indeed. They have built a locked-down test mode in the Nspire's OS, so they could embrace openness (TI-BASIC + Lua + C/C++/ASM) in the standard mode.
Whether they embrace openness or they don't, someone could find a way to subvert the test mode through one of the arbitrary code execution vulnerabilities.

I think TINCS is presumably Java with native code - at least, that's how the online Nspire document player is made :)
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2011, 09:37:37 am »
@AGVolnutt: Teachers and students are the main user-base, that is why. This calculator was developed based largely on what the teachers wanted. Teachers want a calculator only, not a machine that provides distraction in the form of gaming. Although you could make a case for math and other types of programs, a quick look at Ticalc.org's archives will tell you that games are the most popular things being made (well...that and quadratic equation solvers... :P). They also want it closed to dev in order to prevent cheating (even though those that cheat will still find ways). Those are/were their main reasons.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2011, 10:03:40 am »
This will only deter students who don't really ant to cheat. If you really wanted to cheat I'm sure you could find a way around it. I am saying you as a person and not directed at any one person
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2011, 02:50:04 pm »
Quote from: Art_of_camelot on May 28, 2011, 09:37:37 am
@AGVolnutt: Teachers and students are the main user-base, that is why. This calculator was developed based largely on what the teachers wanted.

Actually "high school" teachers and students are the main user-base and because high school math is quite weak, producing a calculator (the nspire) for high school math results in a second rate math device compared to the Hp50 and Classpad have had more math capability than any ti calc for many years.  But I suppose that ti did do what they set out to do, i.e., produce a device that can be used for high school math. 
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2011, 05:15:47 pm »
High school specifically yes. :)

From what I understood the HP 50 was more geared towards engineering. And yea I have heard that many engineers prefer them over the comparable TI-89. I don't know much about the class pad so I can't say.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2011, 10:18:18 pm »
Quote from: Art_of_camelot on May 28, 2011, 05:15:47 pm
High school specifically yes. From what I understood the HP 50 was more geared towards engineering.

True but keep in mind that it also has all the high school math capability.  The same can be said for the Classpad.  What the nspire series lacks, ti makes up for with sales stuff like spin, seminars, and others perks for teachers.   
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2011, 11:10:50 am »
Ah, ok. Wasn't too sure about that aspect of those calcs.
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2011, 10:53:32 pm »
Hmm TexasInstrumentsCalc sent me a friend request on Youtube O.O
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Re: TI invites us back, but should we go to the dark side?
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2011, 10:56:13 pm »
It must be an evil plot to subvert the omni leadership lol
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