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ti-nspire google group
« on: July 27, 2010, 12:49:02 pm »
This group is starting to gain some notoriety around Omnimaga, I figure we should have a topic on them

 http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire

Frankly, I am quite scared how these people are gaining popularity, they are trashing the TI community, praising the TI's censorship of asm and praising the useless features of the nspire.


Discuss how you feel about them
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 02:50:55 pm »
I think we should just ignore them. They're mainly teachers, who just want to [absurd idea]use these calcs for math.[/absurd idea] Naturally, since they're teachers, they don't want students playing games in class. Also, school districts wouldn't want to find out one day that all those expensive handhelds they purchased are now banned from standardized tests.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 02:53:26 pm »
From what I read they sound like they don't like programming at all.  Also, since the DMCA has allowed jailbreaking of the iphone, I am thinking that cracking the Nspire key would not be illegal.  For more information about the RSA key, please read this topic.  Basically, if Omnimga were to be the site that were to crack the RSA keys, that would be awesome.

As for the google group, I'm sure TI would agree with them.  There's nothing we can do though.  I saw Lionel over on the forums trying to correct some of the misconceptions.

I have a question though, for the entire community.  If we were to here TI's reason behind not wanting the keys to be factored, would we change our minds?  Personally, I think that I wouldn't, but that's just me.  (Simply because I don't think that they would give us more programming capabilities, and they blocked downgrading specifically for Ndless)
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 02:56:56 pm »
Although I would love to see it happen, I can understand why TI does not want us to crack the RSA key because that would allow us to use the CAS OS on the regular Nspire.

I can not understand why ASM/C programming is blocked.  TI used to support the use of ASM programs (and still support games for Z80 calcs on their website) and I cannot see why they want to start blocking it now on the Nspire.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 03:04:37 pm »
I honestly don't care about them. If they want to believe that the Nspire is an incredible math tool, and that TI is a great company that is set on providing the best quality graphing calculators at an affordable price let them. The have obviously made up their minds; not only about how great the hardware and software is, but also about how having more programming and functionality would be a bad thing and make the calculators less valuable.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 04:28:08 pm »
Those people all have the misconception that TI calculators make students more intelligent, which is frankly not true. IMO a calculator is a tool to assist its user with otherwise tedious/impossible calculations, and should have as many features as possible.
Since they make us so angry, let us just ignore them.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 04:58:08 pm »
Hmm, a problem previously stated is that they are trying to give the TI community a bad rap.....


Also, Asm and C should be alllowed, it is what makes the calculator good, though I do have to agree that if RunOS comes out, nspire-CAS sales might go down, so if RunOS does not come out TI should not have a problem
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 05:02:53 pm »
Well, your average user buys a calculator first, and then discovers the community, so they would buy a CAS and then feel angry that RunOS exists.
Of course third-party code should be allowed! I remember the days when TI actually supported its community.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 06:12:07 pm »
Quote from: fb39ca4 on July 27, 2010, 02:50:55 pm
since they're teachers, they don't want students playing games in class.
That said, not every teacher is against calc game dev, though. While Critor and Mic would not appreciate that their students play games instead of doing their school work, taking notes and listening in class, they are not against calc games in any way.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 06:35:05 pm »
I find it amusing that Nelson Sousa is so adamantly against calculator gaming when he created one.

It looks to be very simple, yes, and yes it's written in Basic, but even so- it's still a game.

If I were a member of that group, I would definitely mention it the next time there was an argument.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 06:38:54 pm »
He's against playing it, not making it, I'm going to guess.  And ASM games are much more addicting.  It would be funny if you were on ticalc and you came across a game made by your teacher and then you played it during his class and your calc got confiscated during the middle of the game.  XD
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 06:55:06 pm »
Just a troll, me guess...

I swear I saw comments from him years ago in ticalc.org comment boards, HP forums or maybe 68k boards. I think I heard about him in the Casio community too, but I,m not sure.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 07:15:02 pm »
I agree with what's been said so far.
I think its funny that they think all we use the calcs for is games.  have they not seen the 9000 quadratic solvers on ticalc?
One of them also mentioned that TI Cares is helpful.  There is a thread or two around here which proves the exact opposite.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 07:22:39 pm »
Lol according to TiCalc, about 99% of what the world does with their calculators is solve quadratic equations (or spends time writing programs to do it for them) Games?  What games?

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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 07:27:49 pm »
And what most of the regular users play is Block Dude, or one of the other puzzpack games, which comes with the calculator anyway. (At least, this is the case at my school)
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