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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2010, 01:56:41 pm »
Ok, bad move tinspire, now they are trying to directly insult calc84, the community. They have no right! We have been around much longer then they have, we have more experience then them in regards to calcs and stuff!
For those of you lost on my accusation, look at the newest posts of "we made it to xkcd' http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/2978472efdd30e01

the last two pages is when they start getting all  @#!*%  about us >:(
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2010, 04:46:06 pm »
Quote from: qazz42 on August 03, 2010, 01:56:41 pm
Ok, bad move tinspire, now they are trying to directly insult calc84, the community. They have no right! We have been around much longer then they have, we have more experience then them in regards to them!
For those of you lost on my accusation, look at the newest posts of "we made it to xkcd' http://groups.google.com/group/tinspire/browse_thread/thread/2978472efdd30e01

the last two pages is when they start getting all bitchy about us >:(


Wait... it's getting even worse!

Now that they have understood that we don't only develop games but also educational programs... They're saying that those programs are useless (because everything is allready in the OS), that they often crash, and that they can return wrong answers.

Quote from: Wayne
The major problems with third-party mathematical or education programs
are the lack of accuracy, trustworthiness and support. There are many
thrid-party mathematical programs for the TI89 and TI92 hardware that
are published on ticalc.org and other websites by well-known
developers in the third party community. Many of these programs are
not needed because they duplicate built-in OS capabililty, are
inaccurate and vulnerable to random failures, or are mathematically
wrong in their entirety. An experienced mathematician can test these
products and determine which should be trusted and which should be
discarded. Unfortunately, the majority of the people who download
these third party programs are not equipped to make that
determination. As a result, inexperienced users download these
programs and think they are getting mathematically sound answers from
them.

If TI retains control of the development of applications, we can
expect at least some level of trustworthiness and support from TI. If
third party developers of mathematical or educational programs commit
to that same level of accuracy and trustworthiness of their creations
or to support their programs if they are found to be otherwise, then I
say let them have at it. If they not willing to support their
creations properly, then control of the platform should remain with
TI. In my experience, most third-part developers do not commit to the
accuracy and trustworthiness of their programs or to their support if
found to be mathematically wrong in some manner.

http://groups.google.com.au/group/tinspire/t/2978472efdd30e01?hl=en-GB%3Fhl%3Den-GB


So mCAS and AutoCalc for example are very bad programs -> I should stop developping them.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2010, 04:54:51 pm »
Ok, like, what the f*ck? Our math programs are all unstable? where did that peice of s*it come from? They replicate what the OS does? I dont think so, the quad solver app created by ti  is worth nothing, the ones I find on ticalc are much better!

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An experienced mathematician can test these
products and determine which should be trusted and which should be
discarded. Unfortunately, the majority of the people who download
these third party programs are not equipped to make that
determination. As a result, inexperienced users download these
programs and think they are getting mathematically sound answers from
them.

I am a user sometimes and I find most of the math prgms very stable, useful, accurate, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!


hmmm, seems that Nelson (who has some math prgms as you know) isnt very happy with Wade's statement XD
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2010, 05:47:05 pm »
Lol, so they think that TI is good at coding perfectly and all of us third party people who are more innovative suck at coding? I wonder how they would explain the fact that we have made faster and more efficient programs and pieces of code then TI has....and then the whole OS 2.53MP fiasco...I'm guessing that some of the people in the group have no idea what they are talking about and are talking from a non-coding perspective...
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2010, 05:57:41 pm »
Hmm, Didnt BrandonW (one of us) patch MP?
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2010, 06:03:21 pm »
yeah. Brandonw did.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2010, 06:06:45 pm »
BrandonW and I have both recently patched problems that TI has had since their first OS. Brandon fixed the If glitch and I just fixed the ERR:VERSION with groups.

If TI is so accurate, why didn't they fix these simple problems after 50+ revisions.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2010, 06:07:52 pm »
Great, now that the conversation isnt going their way, they bail, typical troll behavior
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2010, 06:20:52 pm »
Exactly.  It also seems they are trying to squash our creativity. Who cares if we make games?  As long as we don't play them in class, there shouldn't be a problem.  At least we're being creative and making the games, instead of just sitting down at an xbox or ps3 and playing them.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2010, 07:24:13 pm »
Here is what wade sent me as an excuse for his bashing of math programmers!

Alec,

I can only point you to the most widely used set of mathematical programs
for the TI89 and 92, MathTools. As only one example, check out the Riemann
zeta function described on  page 32 of the documentation of version 2.4.3 .
Note the MathTools v. 2.4.3 documented for zeta(1-i) and compare to the
correct value from Maple or Mathematica.  This may have been fixed in
subsequent versions, but I stopped using it when I discovered so many
errors.  If you fix zeta, I'll have many other from number theory and linear
algebra that are also wrong.  That is my experience with the mathematical
tools that are published.  Much has been published without being reviewed or
refereed by competent mathematicians and much of it is just plain
mathematically wrong.  I have an edited copy of the documentation of v2.4.3
in which I have struck out function that are directly wrong or that use
another function that is directly wrong.  More text is struck out than is
left in its original.

Wayne


He is either

1. Being a bigot and overly general

2. Trying to trol

I dont know much about 68K so, someone tell me the liability of this (if there is any)
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2010, 08:12:06 pm »
TI's math software has bugs, too: http://www.ibiblio.org/technicalc/buglist/bugs.pdf
Is Wayne even a programmer? If he is, then he should know that bugs exist, and are constantly being fixed.
Often, functions are generally correct, with errors only in uncommon special cases.
He's also making unfair judgments and generalizations. MathTools' site clearly states that it is in development. A program of that magnitude is very hard to write, and the fact that it exists is a testament to the community's brilliancy.
Wayne also seems to assume that commercial software is bug-free, which is clearly FALSE.
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2010, 08:46:31 pm »
anybody told him about those?
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2010, 08:48:20 pm »
Well, I got kicked from the group.... so, someone else do it
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2010, 09:04:44 pm »
What? So now they're forcibly ejecting anyone who doesn't agree with them?
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Re: ti-nspire google group
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2010, 09:06:41 pm »
bwang, if I recall I remember reading that they deleted accounts of people who said negative things about the Nspire (before it was hacked).  I could be wrong, but for some reason I remember seeing this.
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