IMHO, pure BASIC means that the created program comes with no single line of ASM/HEX code. This means, nothing must be ran with Asm(), OpenLib/ExecLib() and no additional functions from hooks installed by APPS such as xLIB, Celtic III and Omnicalc must be used. In other words, Illusiat 13 is not pure BASIC. It's 99% BASIC. In Pure basic this game would be impossible.

Hacked pictures, strings, foreing characters, lowercase letters and the like, on the other hand, are BASIC IMHO. They may be created by ASM (or by programs originally created with the help of ASM), but to run the game, you need no single line of ASM code.

well personally, I think that anything that runs properly with TI-BASIC interpreter and contains no ASM/HEX is pure BASIC. To me it doesn't matter if development was aided by ASM (or lib-assised BASIC programs/softwares such as SourceCoder). If the BASIC interpreter can run the code fine, then it is BASIC. While the hacked pics were created using ASM, they still run fine in the TI-OS without ASM assistance.

Otherwise this would mean that Illusiat 6, 11, 12 and Mana Force 1 are not pure-BASIC games, since I used MirageOS to enable lowercase and Francais localization APP to access greek characters. IMHO those games are still BASIC because they contains no single line of ASM code and the entire code requires no modification of the BASIC interpreter or the aid of ASM/hex libs/additional hooks to run fine.

On the xLIB/Celtic III issue, IMHO games using their hooks aren't pure-BASIC, because those game will not run if you don't have xLIB/Celtic enabled.

Axe Parser is not TI-BASIC either. Good luck trying to run an Axe source program using the prgmPRGMNAME command.

Who here agrees with Calcdude84se that Illusiat 6, 11, 12 and Mana Force 1 are not pure-BASIC RPGs?

Hmm calm down please with the ! marks?

Also imho ASM-less BASIC programs would also be pure BASIC

pure BASIC means 100% BASIC. ASM-less means 0% ASM. If I6/11/12 are ASM-less but not 100% BASIC, then in what programming language is the rest?

I think Builderboy pretty much nailed it. If you want to advertise something as pure BASIC, it means simply that. =)

Well my personal opinion is that pure-BASIC entails only what is accessible on the calculator without the aid of assembly libraries, hexadecimal code, and the such. Which to me means no extra variables, pictures and the such. Not necessarily the lowercase thing though because there are still ways to use some and tricks to getting them (but any that aren't attainable I would consider bridging the gap). So things like Peggle and Exodus I would consider pure-BASIC but something like Trapped or the Reuben Quest games I would consider non-pure-BASIC. Again, this is my personal opinion and I understand that others do have different opinions.

I think we have 2 distinct categories of pure BASIC. The one where ASM is not used in development and the other where it is.

As of lowercase letters, you can get help from pure, second category BASIC programs, but is the result considered pure first or second category?