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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2012, 06:36:13 pm »
Quote from: DJ_O on August 21, 2012, 11:55:17 pm
On MP OSes on the 84+, such menus also exist now.

Though the layout is slightly different; you also use Up/Down to navigate submenus.
Even if he's switching from an Nspire of 68k, the 80-86/Casio interface is pretty quick to learn.
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2012, 10:31:10 pm »
Also, iirc, TI has the free manual uploaded in their website, which is actually quite useful for learning interface.
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2012, 10:51:53 am »
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on August 22, 2012, 06:36:13 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on August 21, 2012, 11:55:17 pm
On MP OSes on the 84+, such menus also exist now.

Though the layout is slightly different; you also use Up/Down to navigate submenus.
Even if he's switching from an Nspire of 68k, the 80-86/Casio interface is pretty quick to learn.
Personally, even after learning the Casio UI, I still find the TI way of doing things much, much better. Casio tends to (ab)use the F1-F6 keys a lot, which IMO is somewhat a clunky way of navigating. Even bringing up that F1-F6 menu can sometimes be non-trivial.

As for development, things *might* get better for the Casio Prizm. With the upcoming LuaZM (Prizm Lua port) there's also a port of the libc, something that has been a big roadblock for much Prizm dev. (The only activity from before was from people using the raw API, and those who knew how to write directly to the screen.)

For the Nspire, development has never been looking much sunnier :) There are very nice graphic libraries, like nSDL and nRGBLib, that can be used, as well as NspireIO for console dev. (Not to mention that Nspire already has a working C library!) And of course, Nspire Lua has been very popular too ;)
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2012, 04:13:47 pm »
Quote from: alberthrocks on September 01, 2012, 10:51:53 am
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on August 22, 2012, 06:36:13 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on August 21, 2012, 11:55:17 pm
On MP OSes on the 84+, such menus also exist now.
Though the layout is slightly different; you also use Up/Down to navigate submenus.
Even if he's switching from an Nspire of 68k, the 80-86/Casio interface is pretty quick to learn.
Personally, even after learning the Casio UI, I still find the TI way of doing things much, much better. Casio tends to (ab)use the F1-F6 keys a lot, which IMO is somewhat a clunky way of navigating. Even bringing up that F1-F6 menu can sometimes be non-trivial.
Yeah, it's the same thing with the TI-85 and TI-86. I never liked the horizontal navigation system because very few items can be shown at once (on the 85/86, only three when you're in the middle of a menu), and it's a lot easier to lose track of where you are in the menu because there's no context (such as numbering or the horizontal "tab" row the TI-83 series uses).
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2012, 10:26:38 am »
*Bump* I don't think it's really worth opening a new topic to discuss something that i'm sure has been discussed a million times before, buuut i'm thinking of getting a new calculator or two, for (assembly) programming. The Casio PRIZM really interests me and i'd like to play around with SH4 assembly. And on top of that, while i don't think either company is a saint, Casio seems much more open/forward thinking than TI, which is a bummer since i've always really enjoyed the TI calcs i've had. So i think i'd like to get a PRIZM. The real question is i've always been more of an 82/83/83+ person. I got an SE cheap off eBay when they first came out and it was nice, but it never seemed as sturdy as the 83+, lots more crashes, etc. I've never had anything from the 84 series but i've heard lots of negative things about them (and lots of good things), and not to mention i think they look much uglier than the old 83+s ;) I feel like for just testing my programs the 83+ has always been the most stable. None of the calcs i had previously survived high school, most of them being stolen or, in the case of my 89T borrowed/never returned, so now i just want something to test my games out on. Is there anything to be weary about when buying an 84+/SE?
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2012, 12:36:25 pm »
Quote from: chickendude on October 10, 2012, 10:26:38 am
*Bump* I don't think it's really worth opening a new topic to discuss something that i'm sure has been discussed a million times before, buuut i'm thinking of getting a new calculator or two, for (assembly) programming. The Casio PRIZM really interests me and i'd like to play around with SH4 assembly. And on top of that, while i don't think either company is a saint, Casio seems much more open/forward thinking than TI, which is a bummer since i've always really enjoyed the TI calcs i've had. So i think i'd like to get a PRIZM. The real question is i've always been more of an 82/83/83+ person. I got an SE cheap off eBay when they first came out and it was nice, but it never seemed as sturdy as the 83+, lots more crashes, etc. I've never had anything from the 84 series but i've heard lots of negative things about them (and lots of good things), and not to mention i think they look much uglier than the old 83+s ;) I feel like for just testing my programs the 83+ has always been the most stable. None of the calcs i had previously survived high school, most of them being stolen or, in the case of my 89T borrowed/never returned, so now i just want something to test my games out on. Is there anything to be weary about when buying an 84+/SE?
I bought a TI-83+SE and so-far have no problems with it. Also it can run some programs that the TI-83+ cannot run(e.g:Devrays). FOr the rest I don't really know a lot about the SE's.
Also, I just want to point out that TI isn't evil or something,(not saying you said that, but there are definitely some people that will say that). The reason why TI has blocked ndless several times is to avoid that people create programs in C to allow cheating in class.
Rightly so, since eventually someone made something like that( http://ourl.ca/16362 )
(Note that the comments made by Jim and Adriweb or sarcasm).
Also if anyone is interested I created this article once about the difference between the casio PRIZM and the TI Nspire: http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=87
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2012, 02:31:02 pm »
Cool, thanks for the article. I've already pretty much decided on getting a PRIZM, but i'm not sure if there's anything with the hardware to worry about for the 84+s (the LCD driver, extra RAM pages, etc.). The hardest part will probably be finding some place in China that sells them :/
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 03:35:27 pm »
Apparently the LCD driver stuff is a bit slow, but seeing the games that came out for it so far (eg CGDoom and Cubefield) I think it should be fine.

And yeah in China it might be a bit hard, because so far the Chinese members we got usually had Nspires. X.x
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2012, 09:27:53 am »
From what I've seen the 84+s have better screens, but the lcd response time is really quite widley varied an sometimes the quality is too. The 83+ SE do seem to be a bit frail for whatever reason (I've had 2 die on me :o). I have a 3rd 83+SE that seems to be doing fine. As far as durability, the 84+ and 84+Se seem to be pretty decent, but like i said, the lcds are really inconsistent from one model to the next.
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2012, 03:39:21 pm »
I guess most people nowadays have an 84+/SE (or an 82 Stats.fr ;)), so it's probably what i should be using to test on anyway. Now i'll have to see if i can find some place that can send one here :D
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Re: Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2012, 06:46:02 pm »
Yeah I remember the 83+SE models always seemed to break faster than their 83+/84+/84+SE counterpart, usually the LCD getting glitchy or other issues. Idk why...
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2012, 08:50:49 pm »
Quote from: chiefpiggy on August 21, 2012, 04:59:13 pm
Alright guys so I have a question: there are two great color calculators out thre, the Nspire cx cas and Casio prism. Which one should I buy? Or should I just bide my time until the new cm-c or cx-c to come out?

http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8118

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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2012, 01:19:00 am »
Quote from: Qwerty.55 on October 11, 2012, 08:50:49 pm
Quote from: chiefpiggy on August 21, 2012, 04:59:13 pm
Alright guys so I have a question: there are two great color calculators out thre, the Nspire cx cas and Casio prism. Which one should I buy? Or should I just bide my time until the new cm-c or cx-c to come out?

http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8118
Better to make an opinion yourself instead of seeing an ad for the Prizm: http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=articles;sa=view;article=87
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2012, 02:28:36 am »
Although back in the days, there was nearly no more hope for the CX and it looked like TI was on a total rampage against the entire community. Today they still fight Ndless, but it seems they slacked off (since OS 3.2 still lets you downgrade back to an Ndlessable OS, even though the OS came out several months after Ndless 3.1) and spent a bit more time improving Lua.
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Re: What should I buy?
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2012, 02:36:24 am »
Quote from: DJ_O on October 12, 2012, 02:28:36 am
Although back in the days, there was nearly no more hope for the CX and it looked like TI was on a total rampage against the entire community. Today they still fight Ndless, but it seems they slacked off (since OS 3.2 still lets you downgrade back to an Ndlessable OS, even though the OS came out several months after Ndless 3.1) and spent a bit more time improving Lua.
Eh, if you're talking about that page where Qwerty link to, it can't be, because he talks about Lua.
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