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Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« on: June 13, 2012, 01:51:14 pm »
It seems that over the years, TI and Casio took different leads on different points. Here's a compilation of accomplishments or stunts each companies made in the calc world:

v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st graphing calc1990 1985 1987
1st color screen calc2011 1995 ?
1st native grayscale calc2007Never?
1st backlighted screen20112009?
1st screen bigger than 96x6419921993?
1st screen bigger than 128x6419952003?
1st screen bigger than 38400 pixels20072010?
1st calc with at least 20 KB of user RAM19921993 1990 (?)
1st calc with at least 1 MB of user RAM2007Never?
1st calc with user Flash memory19981999?
1st calc with at least 1 MB of user Flash200120032003
1st calc to purposely support ASM19961999?
1st calc to unnoficially support ASM19921999?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 16 MHz20072005?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 29 MHz20072010?
1st calc that can natively go higher than 100 MHz2007Never**?
1st calc with CAS support19951998?

F***ing S*** that should never have happened
1st calc to officially stop supporting ASM20072003*?
1st calc to purposely lock ASM dev2007Never?
1st calc to self-destruct2011*Never (?)?
*Eventually fixed
**Comes pretty close

If anyone knows more info about HP calcs feel free to post it, same if any of the years above is incorrect or if you got more points to add (that were done, intentionally or unintentionally, by the company themselves, not the users, so no "1st quadratic solver release", please). :)
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 01:57:12 pm »
Quote from: DJ_O on June 13, 2012, 01:51:14 pm
v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st calc higher than 100 MHz2007Never?
You can almost clock the prizm that high i think highest stable is 96
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 02:00:35 pm »
This compilation is a good idea :) You could also add colors, like put a year in green when the brand wins or in red when it loses, like this:

v Accomplishment/Brand >TICasioHP
1st color screen calc2011 1995 ?
1st native grayscale calc2007Never?
« Last Edit: June 13, 2012, 02:00:47 pm by Hayleia »
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 02:01:51 pm »
Dafuq, native grayscale?
Also IMO things that are good for us and are first should be green and if it is first and not good it should be red.
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 02:06:57 pm »
Yeah I added an asterisk to denote that, along with a few others. Also updated screen larger than 128x64 because I forgot about the FX-9700GE and the TI-85 (how could I do the latter? <_<)

Also yes the TI-Nspire Clickpad supported grayscale natively (15 shades of gray, which is actually 16 but two are identical so it makes it 15), unlike previous models which were monochrome
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 02:10:48 pm »
The TI-85 was released in 1993, and had a 128x64 screen. So, by "1st screen bigger than 96x64," TI should have 1993, not 1995. It was also the first to unofficially support assembly and have at least 20KB of RAM, so TI should have 1993 by "1st calc to unofficially support ASM" and "1st calc with at least 20KB of user RAM." Also, the TI-83+/84+SE released in 2004 had 2 MB of Flash, and the 89 Titanium/Voyage 200 had 4 MB (1.5MB and 2.7MB user respectively). The TI-83+SE was released in 2001, so "1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash" should be 2001 for TI, not 2007. HP's first calc with at least 20KB of user RAM was released in 1990 (HP-48GX, 128KB), maybe sooner. The HP 49G+, released in 2003, was the first HP calc with flash and at least 1 MB.
Another field to see is "1st calc with a CAS:" 1995 for TI.
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 02:12:45 pm »
Could you do the highliting on who was first? would make it a little easier to look through it
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 02:15:06 pm »
Hm I really need to buy the whole TI-8x series and the ti-73 (which is super cool :D)
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 02:15:53 pm »
I really need enough money to buy that much
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 02:24:46 pm »
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on June 13, 2012, 02:10:48 pm
The TI-85 was released in 1993, and had a 128x64 screen. So, by "1st screen bigger than 96x64," TI should have 1993, not 1995. It was also the first to unofficially support assembly and have at least 20KB of RAM, so TI should have 1993 by "1st calc to unofficially support ASM" and "1st calc with at least 20KB of user RAM." Also, the TI-83+/84+SE released in 2004 had 2 MB of Flash, and the 89 Titanium/Voyage 200 had 4 MB (1.5MB and 2.7MB user respectively). The TI-83+SE was released in 2001, so "1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash" should be 2001 for TI, not 2007. HP's first calc with at least 20KB of user RAM was released in 1990 (HP-48GX, 128KB), maybe sooner. The HP 49G+, released in 2003, was the first HP calc with flash and at least 1 MB.
Another field to see is "1st calc with a CAS:" 1995 for TI.
If you notice the post edit, you will see I fixed the 85 part btw (Although the 85 came out in 1992, not 93 http://www.ticalc.org/basics/calculators/ )

Also the 84+ has 1.54 MB of user flash. 2 MB is the total, but the list displays user's accessible memory only.

Anyway thanks for the other correction :)
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2012, 02:26:24 pm »
1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash should be the Ti-83+ SE (2001) for TI right?
1st calc with at least 1 MB of Flash should be the Classpad 300 (2003) for Casio (unless there was something before this?).

I may edit this post if I find more.
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2012, 02:29:46 pm »
Also, what's with the self-destructing calculators?
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2012, 02:31:40 pm »
TI-Nspire series, when upgraded to 3.0.1
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2012, 02:31:44 pm »
well 2011 is CX I think so maybe it refers to the failure that was 3.0
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Re: Where do TI and Casio win on an hardware/dev point?
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2012, 02:33:31 pm »
Wait was it OS 3.0 or 3.0.1? I  thought it started happening when people upgraded their calcs to 3.0.1 without TNOC, then bs happened...
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