Post by: kucalc on March 25, 2007, 05:00:00 am
Here's the link: http://www.casio.com/news/content/DADB5369-54C2-4E44-B585-E9EFF0EA3611/
Here's the pics of the new model:
How powerful the fx-9860 speed is compared to other calculators (It's even faster than the HP-50G, currently the fastest graphing calculator): http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/articles.cgi?read=700
For those wandering, the LCD screen actually does look that crisp and clear. I have the fx-9860G though, not the fx-9860G Slim, but the LCD's should be the same.
This Slim version should be awesome now that it's lightweight and can probably fit in your pocket and you can bring it everywhere with you. The fx-9860G is already awesome, but this is even better!
Post by: Fallen Ghost on March 25, 2007, 05:14:00 am
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on March 25, 2007, 05:32:00 am
| QUOTE (Fallen Ghost @ 25 Mar, 2007, 11:14) |
| Looking great, but certainly not very practical, as the reach of buttons is not so easy. |
Maybe that's because we are all used to the arrow keys in the top right and the 2nd/Alpha keys in the top left. :P
I have some questions about the model:
1) How big is the pixel display?
2) How fast is the processor?
3) How easy is it to learn BASIC and/or Assembly for it?
4) How much memory does it have (RAM and Flash)?
5) How much is it's retail price?
Post by: graywolf on March 25, 2007, 05:44:00 am
Post by: kucalc on March 25, 2007, 05:53:00 am
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| 1) How big is the pixel display? |
The pixel display is 128x64 pixels. 24.0(H) x 92.5(W) x 184.5(D) mm
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| 2) How fast is the processor? |
The fx-9860 uses a SuperH processor clocked at around 40MHz initially. Using my CPUSPEED hack utility takes it to 80MHz. The CPU's max speed is 160MHz and can efficiently execute 173MIPS.
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| 3) How easy is it to learn BASIC and/or Assembly for it? |
BASIC is easy. As for programming in C/C++/ASM, you can use the fx-9860 SDK. The SDK contains a emulator so you don't have to keep transferring programs back and forth to your calculator. Here's a screenshot of the SDK:
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| 4) How much memory does it have (RAM and Flash)? |
It has 1.5MB of Flash memory and probably 64KB of RAM (or maybe 512KB). However, I'm working on a way to expand the 1.5MB to 2.0MB flash. About 500KB is just blank code used up by the OS.
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| 5) How much is it's retail price? |
It comes out in June, and will be $99.
Also it has a backlight display making it good for when you are in dark places. It also has a HELP button for easy access to help (Don't have to look in the manual anymore).
It also has USB support and this is probably the first pocket graphing calculator.
Post by: bfr on March 25, 2007, 06:09:00 am
- By the screenshot of it, it's home screen, or whatever it is called, doesn't look very professional or as good as the TI-89 Titanium's / Voyage 200's
- It doesn't have the operation keys (+, -, *, /) in the traditional layout
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kucalc: You know how to program for this? Awesome!
Post by: kucalc on March 25, 2007, 06:20:00 am
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| - By the screenshot of it, it's home screen, or whatever it is called, doesn't look very professional or as good as the TI-89 Titanium's / Voyage 200's |
Well (if we are talking about looks, not technical capabilities), in my opinion it looks sleek, dynamic and high tech. The TI-89 Titanium looks bulky and fat compared to the CASIO fx-9860G Slim.
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| - It doesn't have the operation keys (+, -, *, /) in the traditional layout |
What do you mean by that? The fx-9860G Slim does have those keys on it's keyboard. Here's a link to a bigger photo of the fx-9860G Slim: http://www.casio.com/resource/images/press/fx-9860gslim_press.jpg
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| kucalc: You know how to program for this? Awesome! |
Well yes, my programming projects right now are towards the hardware. My projects right now include WAVE-fx (High quality WAVE and maybe MP3 music player for the fx-9860), EPSILON (hardware library for the fx-9860 series) and a USB driver for the fx-9860 series.
There are a couple of games right now for the fx-9860 made using the fx-9860 SDK: http://www.casiocalc.org/?to=fsdisplay.php&cat2disp=FS.FX-9860G.casm#totitle
My hardware hacking projects for the fx-9860: http://www.casiocalc.org/?showtopic=3250
Post by: bfr on March 25, 2007, 06:29:00 am
Also, I know that it has those keys, but they aren't in the traditional layout. Take a look at this calculator, for example:
Post by: Fallen Ghost on March 25, 2007, 07:00:00 am
Post by: kucalc on March 25, 2007, 08:56:00 am
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| Also, I know that it has those keys, but they aren't in the traditional layout. |
But isn't CASIO's keyboard layout more efficient? In your traditional layouts, you have to move your hand up and down in a column. Going between multiplication and addition takes more distance than on a CASIO in which the +, *, /, - are grouped into a square allowing greater efficiency of entering equations.
If you don't like portable stuff, here's what the original fx-9860 SD (has a card slot):
Post by: graywolf on March 25, 2007, 09:04:00 am
Post by: bfr on March 25, 2007, 10:06:00 am
Post by: Halifax on March 25, 2007, 01:34:00 pm
The TI-OS is better, more planned, and more thought out and crisp than any other operating system for a calc to me(although it may not be optimized) I love the layouts of the 89's and down because they are so easy to navigate. I really don't like the Homescreen/GUI of that calc. It looks too crowded so I think we should stick with whats not broken. TI!
Post by: Liazon on March 26, 2007, 10:46:00 am
Post by: necro on March 26, 2007, 12:58:00 pm
Post by: Insanity on March 26, 2007, 03:14:00 pm
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| The TI-OS is better, more planned, and more thought out and crisp than any other operating system for a calc to me(although it may not be optimized) I love the layouts of the 89's and down because they are so easy to navigate. I really don't like the Homescreen/GUI of that calc. It looks too crowded so I think we should stick with whats not broken. TI! |
[ Laughing Hysterically ]
Post by: graywolf on March 26, 2007, 05:12:00 pm
And nice signature Demon.
Post by: kucalc on March 28, 2007, 01:27:00 pm
Post by: Netham45 on March 28, 2007, 07:54:00 pm
Post by: Liazon on March 29, 2007, 09:41:00 am
Post by: graywolf on March 29, 2007, 11:10:00 am
And a SD card would be useful, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have one.
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on March 29, 2007, 01:37:00 pm
Post by: Halifax on March 29, 2007, 02:02:00 pm
| QUOTE (Insanity @ 26 Mar, 2007, 21:14) | ||
[ Laughing Hysterically ] |
You want to prove me wrong and show me a better calculator OS and then I will agree with you. Otherwise I don't see why it is so funny. The Casio OS there looks like s***. The crap is all jumbled up.(I didn't say this/write this in an angry tone)
Post by: graywolf on March 29, 2007, 02:19:00 pm
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| Speaking of a calc emulating another calc, did anybody think of making a Casio emulator on a TI? |
No, but Bfr is working on a cross-platform programming language, MLC.
Post by: bfr on March 29, 2007, 02:42:00 pm
The TI-OS does seem to overall look better, from what I've seen, but the OS for this Casio calculator at least doesn't seem absolutely horrible.
Post by: kucalc on March 29, 2007, 03:18:00 pm
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| Speaking of a calc emulating another calc, did anybody think of making a Casio emulator on a TI? |
That may be possible, you may emulate the CFX series and the old FX's. (fx-9860 is too fast to be worth emulated on a TI). But the problem is that not much is known about the CPU of these CASIO CFX's. (And there is the color in the CFX's) Obtaining the ROM of these CASIO's well hard to get also. I do however have the fx-9860 ROM.
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| You want to prove me wrong and show me a better calculator OS and then I will agree with you. Otherwise I don't see why it is so funny. The Casio OS there looks like s***. The crap is all jumbled up.(I didn't say this/write this in an angry tone) |
I wander if you have ever used the CASIO fx-9860 before. I live here in the USA also, so I've seen lots of TI's used in my school (it's in the textbooks, curriculum, teachers use them, etc.). After looking at my fx-9860, a lot of people regret buying their TI's which they payed probably over $100, when they could have gotten a CASIO fx-9860 for $80 especially for these reasons:
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- Natural textbook display makes entering equations so simple. Everyone who has a Z80 based TI at my school wishes they had this on their calculators. This pwns even the RPN on the HP calcs.
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Excel similar built-in spreadsheet. Good for physics and chemistry.
* Calculation history - You can scroll all they way back and retrieve equations and edit, copy or paste them.
* The fx-9860 allows different bases other than 10 or e in logarithmic functions
* UltraHigh speed computations
* Performs numerical calculus
I actually like the icon menu and it's simple to use. Even my 7-year old sister can figure it out without having a look at the manual and no one helping her. (Watch a 7-year old with a TI with no manual and no help given by anyone else...) I'm the only one who seems to have knowledge on the fx-9860 hardware (and how to access it) and software. I could rewrite the OS if I wanted to.
In my opinion (it might be fact however), the fx-9860 is the most superior non-CAS calculator ever made. It provides more functions (also functions per cost), than most (if not all) previous non-CAS calcs. $80 for a regular, or $99 for a Slim, or $120 for a SD version is not a bad deal. Everyone I have known who has purchased a fx-9860 are pleased with their purchase and the experience with a fx-9860.
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| And I think kucalc even mentioned on Casio forums that he may be porting to this calculator (or another similar Casio calculator). |
Eh, so you still visit the MLC subform of casiocalc.org? :hi:
I'll be porting the MLC only to the fx-9860. I have no plans for making a MLC for the CASIO ClassPad (Kilburn is doing that). My MLC will aim for compatibility towards the MLC for the CASIO Algebra FX. Post by: bfr on March 29, 2007, 03:29:00 pm
- I don't really need one (it still looks cool though, but for school, I already have a TI-84+ SE, a TI-86, a Voyage 200, and my sister's TI-89 Titanium)
- I don't have the money
- My parents don't want me to get any more calculators, and my sister would shun me if I got another calculator
It looks like it would be fun to mess around with and program for, though. The thing is, I might enjoy programming for the TI-83+ series more than this calculator because it is much more popular, and people that I know at school could try my programs. Also, despite the CASIO fx-9860's speed and other cool features, I think that TI's 68K series (TI-89, TI-92, Voyage 200, etc.) has the best symbolic manipulation around / mathematics capabilities (at least until the TI-Nspire comes out).
Post by: graywolf on March 30, 2007, 10:45:00 am
Post by: kucalc on April 04, 2007, 01:15:00 pm
I'll start writing the TI Z80 emulator for the CASIO fx-9860 right now. I'll keep you guys updated on the progress.
Post by: Netham45 on April 10, 2007, 02:10:00 am
Im sure it's been asked, but is this calc capable of multi-tasking?