Quote from: flyingfisch on May 02, 2013, 06:46:29 pm

Just to clarify, I was not asking for  no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.

I'm not much of a swearer online, rest assured. I just wanted you to know that you can't really expect people to automatically respect your values. I'm going to try to because I'm not a fan of drama, but "respect for ones beliefs" is not something you can just take for granted.

Don't worry, I have been online long enough to know that.

Just to clarify, I was not asking for  no swearing rule, I was just asking people to be considerate. If you don't want to be, then I understand.

DJ: I am not asking for "special treatment" and I have noticed things getting a bit better, thus my recent increase in activity here. I am not asking for all out censorship either, just for members to remember to be considerate.

Do not doubt my adept ability to hack. Doubt my ability to do what's right. Teach me to be better, not more devious. Give me God, not more foolishness. It's not a matter of how I get around it, it's whether or not I decide to. Anybody who WANTS to get around the love and care that parents put in place, is an idiot. I wouldn't want to know them. I think a parent who cares that much is already an above-average parent. The restrictions they put in place do not reflect the craziness or strictness of my parents, it reflects the person they restrict. So, the fact that they became this strict should reflect just how naughty I was being, not how mean they are. It's LOVE they are treating me with.

I had an experience pretty similar to yours, I think, and I agree with everything you said in that post. There is no age at which point a person magically becomes "mature". It is only through lessons and experience. The more you listen to your parent's wisdom the less you have to learn through hard experience.

It is really refreshing to read stefan bauwens' and Dapianokid's posts, I think it proves that faith and morals still exist. I don't feel that I am as isolated in my beliefs as I once thought.

To the rest of omnimaga, I am not angry, but I do have a request. Stop the swearing on OmnomIRC, and don't talk about sketchy things in posts. Even if most of omnimaga is "mature" enough to handle it, we shouldn't have it going on here. And I am not saying this because I don't want it blocked in schools or what not, I am saying it because I want to be able to browse omnimaga comfortably, without having to be afraid that I may see the F word in OmnomIRC, or immoral things mentioned in posts.

That may sound critical, but its just the way I see things right now. Let's straighten our act out. Are you with me?

install Hg instead

I uninstalled git

give it back

i dont like to share

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 07:30:57 am

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As for my rule idea I understand it might be hard to enforce, although the thing is that since 2007 or so, the usage of filters and restrictions on minors have been getting increasingly abusive. I don't remember things being this bad before.

I think that that is sadly due to inappropriate things getting more accepted and more added everywhere.
The real problem is this. They should make P-word illegal.

Quote from: Streetwalker on May 02, 2013, 08:28:32 am

Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not.

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.

Out of personal experience, I know that 13 is too young to be left independent. Although a person may have it's privacy, if the kid has a problem showing what he has been doing, he probably wasn't doing something perfectly OK.

Same here.

If I would get a kid, I might give his more independency from age 16 or above, when real maturity comes imo.
(And if my kid wouldn't be mature enough in my eyes then I'll extend the time). This however doesn't mean that I'm OK with it that he'd be doing BAD stuff on his computer.

Exactly. For some reason some people seem to think that maturity is somehow a license to do wrong. And just because you are mature does not mean you should view mature content. THAT should be illegal.

@Pimathbrainiac: If your parents block stuff, you should NOT try to bypass it, but talk with your parents about it.
You should submit to their final word, no matter if you like it or not.
(Imagine we'd only obey and submit to our parents when we're okay with it...)

Sadly, I know many kids who only submit to their parents if they like it. Otherwise they find ways around it. And in one instance a kid I know actually died because of it.

Also, I think I should also point out an point that seems quite important to me. It appears to be generally though that once you're 18 you don't have do honor your parents or respect them and you leave them. This IS wrong thinking.
A kid has to take care of his parents(even of his grandparents) and should only leave when the parents want it or marriage separates you from them.
But even when married or living elsewhere, you should respect your parents and obey them in the good. And instead of considering sick things like euthanasia, you should be there when they're old and can no longer take care of themselves just like they did to you.

Just wanted to get that out, since that's seemed quite important to me.

Agreed, agreed.


EDIT:
Just as a note to other members, the reason I have not been very active on omnomirc over the last few months is because of the swearing that goes on there. I only feel comfortable talking to certain people because some other members swear almost at the drop of a hat. It's disgusting. The F word should be censored on omnomirc, IMHO.

Yes, I agree with flyingfisch.
I can understand that it may not be easy, and I think you know very well that your parents only have good intentions for you. When I think about it, if I would get kids later on in life, I'd probably also put a blocker on the computer.  And trust me, it's not easy to find a good proof blocker, which is probably the reason that you have several.

I think that probably the main thing your dad is trying to avoid is inappropriate material. And to get that really good blocked it probably requires him to block all those other stuff.

Maybe you could talk with you dad and ask him to unblock specific sites, to make it easier for you(rather that blocking specific sites)?

It's better to have a useless computer than go to H E double hockey sticks with a useful one, eh?

Totally agree, especially the last line.

Yeah, but there's a difference between a reasonable content filter like my parents used to have at home (filtering illegal material and ye ole digital humpin') and senseless word filtering. Come on... Blocking pages by scanning the _text_ on them? I don't see how that could ever be productive.

So we agree, a lot of content blockers are not effective. But that is no reason to outlaw them.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 02, 2013, 07:30:57 am

I just don't get why parents check what their kids browse while they're online more often and monitors the site history list (make sure your kid can't clear its content), instead of just blocking sites that might be clean.

Even that is disrespect to the kids' private life. When you're over 13 and your parents can read all the chats you made with your friends or gf/bf, this can be quite embarrassing. But yeah, blocking stuff like p o r n is a normal protection for the younger of us, again not for 13-18 who are in the middle of puberty and need independance (yeah I know this doesn't mean anything but you know what teens like to do) and probably have enough judgement to know what they can do on internet or not.

Also an easy way to enforce that kind of law is just to make parental filter distributing illegal and voila.

In Dapianokid's situation, the content filtering is abusive and he should have a talk with his parents to know why they restricted him all of a sudden.

13 is still young. And I don't agree with you at all that teens can decide for themselves what they can and can't do on the internet. I am a teen as well as you, and I know several times when I wished my content blocker was a little more restrictive, looking back at the situation.

And sure, you can prevent the distribution of content blockers, but then parents will just take the computer away altogether. Which they have a perfect right to do.

And if you are going to restrict parents rights to protect, shield and punish their kids, you should outlaw the Amish as well for making their kids grow up totally disconnected from technology and the outside world.

Now, I understand this all may be inconvenient for kids, but trust me, there is more to life than calculator forums, and which would you rather have, unlimited access to the internet during your teen years, or a clean life in the years to come? I, at least, would prefer the latter.