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Miscellaneous / Re: Religion Discussion
« on: May 21, 2013, 02:38:09 pm »
To make things clear, I'll mean by God christians' God.
"I would see God as a friend" : You can't say that, God is God, so God is much more than a friends, he's your creator. For example, you can't say your mother or your father is a friends, he (has to be) much more than that. God is not equal to you, he's much superior.
"I would rather do something purely out of my own desire to be good than with the bribe of eternal contentedness or the fear of eternal damnation." : I have to answer to that. Do you know what the "eternal damnation" is ? It is the lack of God. Someone'll have it if he refuses God's love and his help for ever. If you're good, continue to be so, it is exactly what he wants you to be.
If God is a being that requires my devotion and belief more than being a 'good' person, then I cannot respect such a god. If that god values goodness, then I can respect such a god and I would see God as a friend. Regardless of the existence of God, I try to be a good person because that matters more to me than the belief in a god. I would rather do something purely out of my own desire to be good than with the bribe of eternal contentedness or the fear of eternal damnation."If God is a being that requires my devotion and belief more than being a 'good' person, then I cannot respect such a god." According to christians, God does want you to be a good person. He requires you in order to save humanity from evil. God is a love God, he doesn't want us to pray for him, but for yourself. By praying, we can communicate with God, ask for help and do you best. Humans can't do anything by themselves about evil, they need God's help.
"I would see God as a friend" : You can't say that, God is God, so God is much more than a friends, he's your creator. For example, you can't say your mother or your father is a friends, he (has to be) much more than that. God is not equal to you, he's much superior.
"I would rather do something purely out of my own desire to be good than with the bribe of eternal contentedness or the fear of eternal damnation." : I have to answer to that. Do you know what the "eternal damnation" is ? It is the lack of God. Someone'll have it if he refuses God's love and his help for ever. If you're good, continue to be so, it is exactly what he wants you to be.
Just to clarify, it is possible to prove God exists, but it is not possible to explain how He exists.It isn't possible to prove God exists. Thsi debate won't come anywhere, because we can't prove anything about that. As je ne sais plus qui said, you cannot understand to believe, but you have to believe to understand.
If God created everything, then who created God?ERR: Invalid. God lives forever and fromever, that's all. There's no origin to his life. He invented time, so you can't apply to him this notion.
This thought challenges the "someone created you" part of religion, because God would then have to have been created by someone higher and mightier, and then it chains on.No, because of what I just said.
What if God created himself? Infinite chain broken. And never mind that it doesn't make sense, making sense was never a requirement..God wasn't created.
Brings up the problem that in many religions there's a book that they believe is the truth...It isn't a "book of the truth". It is a book the enables to understand many things.
I'm not one to believe it either, not until I see hard evidence.Really? So you have to believe in very few things. And you're doing as Pierre did. But since you need to believe to get the hard evidence in you, you're on an impasse.
Evenso, if he would be real and such only put us here to believe in him and please him and doing bad will get us ending up in hell, then I can't help but not bring up much respect for such a god. (This probaly is a very sharp turn, but I can't think of another way to express it.)See above in my message.