And what needs to change other then you all realizing we are doing what we can with the site to make it better.

Is it really making the site better if it scares current members away ?

So you may not like a change. But its not your site. You have an issue voice it

There have been many reported issues that were literally ignored. Part of the issue is http://ourl.ca/issue. That thing is in no way a proper issue tracker. This subforum is a much better place to be heard, but you guys are encouraging the use of an unusable feature instead.

(hence why this topic is not deleted)

This sounds like a threat.

But dont expect us to follow everything the members want. It's a community run by the admin team (and owners when they voice it). Not an admin team run by a community.

Again, we know you have the final word, but do you really want to tear the community apart ?

A simple suggestion to move to a topic-oriented channel. There were no threats. Having separate chat channels encourages discussion of those topics alongside others. It allows the conversation to continue unhindered by others derailing it with other topics.

I disagree. Eeems has been effectively enforcing anime discussion to #anime even when it started while the channel was inactive. Same for pony talk. This is not really cool.

I'm not overly active here, but what I could notice is that this wouldn't be a place to stay at for a longer time.

Same for me. I don't post often anymore, but I noticed that the atmosphere on Omni is changing for the worse. On the other hand it isn't clear for me that Eeems' behaviour is the cause of it, maybe it's a bit too easy to just blame him? It always seemed like he's the one doing most of the work to keep the forum up and doing a good job there, but yeah that's not what the critique was about.

Geekboy: I am not agreeing with your point that this is not a democracy. We built this place, and I think everybody should have a voice. Also, internal rules? You make sure like they are followed? That sounds like a dictatorship.

It isn't a real democracy, but if site admins don't listen to their users' opinions they will eventually be the only ones left. Users can't elect their admins, but choose the forum they visit.

On the other hand it isn't clear for me that Eeems' behaviour is the cause of it, maybe it's a bit too easy to just blame him?

We're not saying Eeems's behaviour is the only cause of the change of atmosphere. We're saying it's ONE cause we experienced and we can discuss on. As geekboy put it, most admin stuff happens behind the scenes, so we don't actually have anything to say about it. What we can't tolerate though, is one admin being explicitely mean and unfair to members, and because it's an admin nobody said anything about it until then.

I personally think this whole thing has been blown out of proportions, but I'll provide my two cents.

- lately, Eeems has been modifying features of the site that could have bothered the user experience of Omnimaga members, and this without any prior consent from any member, and in this case with the explicit disagreement of a support staff : http://chat.eeems.ca:9003/?server=irc.omnimaga.org%206667&channel=omnimaga&date=Thu%20Nov%2006%202014#1415302519917

One (or a few) people not liking a change doesn't mean it's a bad change. Regarding this particular change of post edit notifications in IRC, if they do in fact filter out spammy multi-edits as Eeems suggested they should, I actually welcome this change.

- in similar situations, Eeems said having the right to perform such modifications as he is the one paying for the hosting of the site. While we all thank him for this, this fact shouldn't become an excuse for making alone decisions that could affect greatly, and in any way, user experience.

Since he's paying for the site and I believe is a primary code contributor, I think Eeems does deserve more weight in these decisions. Regarding the change above, it doesn't really seem like a change that could greatly affect users' experiences. Even if you don't like it, it's a minor annoyance at most. But if there are larger changes that he has made that others have disagreed with which you'd like to bring up, those could be a different story. Preferably, bring them up with another site staff member.

- the co-owner group now only contains Eeems and geekboy, when it used to include way more people like rcfreak0 and Netham45 (the latter holding the full legal rights on the domain, as shown when entering "omnimaga.org" as a domain name here : http://whois.pir.org/). If it was the result of group reorganization, no Omnimaga user was notified of such action unlike the news item located here says it would happen : http://www.omnimaga.org/news/the-status-of-our-staffing-and-the-changes-that-are-being-made/

Neither rcfeak0 nor Netham45 were forcibly overthrown. But yes, the diminishing core staff population is concerning, and it would be nice to have more. I can't say I know who those people should be, though.

- despite Omnimaga being meant to be a friendly place of interest sharing, free speech, and overall amusement, we feel that Eeems treats it too much like a professional responsibility, thus harming the enjoyment of members.

I can't say I've felt this lately, but I also haven't been around much lately. If there's any particular evidence of this to cite, perhaps that could be more compelling. Again, preferably show this to a site staff member.

- the Omnimaga IRC chat has been made by Netham45 then Sorunome to be a free place of discussion. In our opinion, Eeems has proven irrelevant over-restrictiveness several times. We feel that he has been forcing people to join a different channel to carry discussions about certain topics he doesn't like, while there is no topic restriction for the #omnimaga channel.

This sounds a lot like the first point, both of which are actually already the case in Cemetech's IRC channel, and both of which I personally think are positive changes. While having to move to a different IRC channel can be annoying, I completely understand the reasoning for a site admin wanting off-topic discussion to occur outside of the main channel. Off-topic chat should always be liable to being asked to move. If your issue is the manner in which you were asked to move, that deserves consideration, though.

Overall, we think that Eeems should prove more humble behavior, both towards site members and the site itself. It goes by accepting (and actually requesting) others' opinions and taking into account negative feedback. While we perfectly understand the privileges given by the statute of site administrator, we think it should not be mistaken with the statute of absolute ruler.

I agree that accepting others' feedback should definitely occur. However, don't confuse not accepting feedback with accepting feedback but disagreeing. And this is linked to the second point; I haven't seen any issues large enough that have warranted Eeems' disagreement with feedback to be scrutinized. Feel free to show any such issues, though.

Neither rcfeak0 nor Netham45 were forcibly overthrown. But yes, the diminishing core staff population is concerning, and it would be nice to have more. I can't say I know who those people should be, though.

I need to leave for a bit, But I want to point out this is correct. I'm quite inactive, But I'm around if i'm poked somewhere.I'm sorry I don't have more to contribute to this topic at this time, But i'll be reading it and keeping up on it to respond later if need be.

So we were saying "we feel that Eeems is not perfect".
And you answered "he's the most perfect of all our admins, he does everything".

Well maybe what this means is that since Eeems has to do everything on his own, he's getting stressed out and gets bitter sometimes when some of us complain about almost nothing when he made so much work.

So maybe we were actually not targetting at the right problem, but that doesn't mean there is no problem.

There's a reason why we didn't talk of it with Eeems himself, it's because well, as I said we are complaining of him not being really nice so none of us really wanted to have a talk (even though as I said and as I will say, maybe it wasn't his fault).

There's a reason why we didn't talk of it with other admins, it's because we never see them. Maybe they come once a day and do things but we never hear of them, we only see Eeems, we can only talk to Eeems.

So maybe admins should be more present, or more numerous, or both, so that Eeems doesn't have to do everything on his own, and he'll be less stressed out and nicer, and we would feel better. Plus, work would be done faster.

Sorry Eeems if we have hurt you if it wasn't your fault. But since you were the only one present and bitter (probably due to being tired), we felt like you were the problem even though probably not.

So to risk some flaming. We are talking internally on how to be more outward with things. We are bouncing some ideas around. That being said. We always answer when poked.

Also your the best Lobster Pimath <3

In all seriousness tho. How did you guys not know I'm an admin. (Some of you I personally have solved issues with before. ) I am also on just as much if not more then Eeems. (well I was new job now dictates otherwise).