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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2011, 11:18:48 pm »
Yes the "Are you Christian" thread was probably the first thread ever to not get locked due to flaming but I account that mainly to Sir getting perm banned. And with the politics thread there has been debate but so far it hasn't escalated and is a good discussion.
wait, why is the politics thread locked?
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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 11:30:50 pm »
Removing the dislike button would be an interesting idea.

Also the threads about religion and politics are allowed, unless it turns into a flame war.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2011, 11:34:04 pm »
I think that is a good idea as well, when a bad post is made, people tend to speak out about it anyways rather than just thumb down it and nothing else.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2011, 11:52:40 pm »
What about a separate tally?  I.E. Instead of "Total Post Ratings:" have it be "Positive Ratings:" and "Negative Ratings:"

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2011, 12:38:06 am »
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
I pretty much agree with this. Also, I think the rating system is fine as is personally. If you only had a plus for posts you liked it may as well be modified to be similar to "liking" someone's comment on facebook.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2011, 09:17:30 am »
Removing the dislike button would be an interesting idea.
I would remove post rating all together. Feedback is a lot better when in words.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2011, 11:57:01 am »
I don't really see the point of the rating system, so it would be fine to remove it. It might also be a good idea to not ban people unless they've done a lot of bad things (or something very large). The intent of bans is to get rid of troublemakers, which will make other people stay on the forum, but if too many people are banned, there won't be many people left on the forum. The easiest way to avoid bans is to only post when absolutely necessary (for example, only project updates). For some (including me), knowing that I might get banned makes me post less in discussions.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2011, 12:34:42 pm »
My opinion is that the rating system might be causing a fair amount of problems, but I think a larger amount of it has to do with the frequent misunderstandings and jumping to conclusions that someone is always trying to do something wrong on purpose that I see happen all too often. The practice of assuming good faith is absolutely essential if you want to maintain an environment that is to be “free of hostility” as it's put. That doesn't mean that nothing should be done to willing or repeat offenders, just that the full story needs to be known first without simply assuming things.

There is a fine line between keeping things friendly and trying so hard to do so that it backfires and ends up doing the exact opposite. JosJuice has an good point—bans should be used as sparingly as possible; potential offenders should be made sure they know that they are doing something that is disallowed without feeling like they are automatically being treated as a troublemaker even from the very first offense.

If you go too far, though, this is what happens: sensitive people like me stop using the rating system altogether after seeing more than one incident where people apparently got banned simply for rating posts up or down that a staff member disagrees with, get tempted to leave completely right now while we still can after seeing people threatened for leaving because it's seen as “drama” (though banning would seem to have little effect since the person is leaving anyway), stop participating or posting much because we feel like anything we say (including this post ;)) feels like somewhat of a risk of being misunderstood and blown up at, etc.

In other words, the spirit of the principles Omnimaga is founded on are reasonably sound, I think; the problem I see is that so much effort is put into attempting to reduce drama and problems that it backfires and only causes more.

There might be other things necessary, but I think that finding just the right balance between one extreme and the other could make a significant positive difference overall.
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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2011, 03:51:35 pm »
As far as I've noticed, the only time downrating gets to be a problem is when someone gets downrated and they make a production out of it...
I could be wrong, though.

I agree. I like the rating system, but I don't think an individual post's rating should really be discussed. If some one makes a negative comment, but is not really bad enough for a moderator to take action on, a -1 on that post would let the author know that in general, that kind of behavior isn't what's expected at Omnimaga. If some one gets a big negative on a post, then they should just realize that what they did offended people, and try not to do it again. I think the rating system is a good way to provide subtle clues as to what should and shouldn't be posted here.

The only times I see it being a problem is if some one starts accusing other people of downrating their posts and makes a big deal out of it. But then, it is really the person doing the accusing who is abusing the system.
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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 05:18:32 pm »
Given experience from August 2008 to June 2009 (before the rating system existed), if the voting system was removed entirely, Omnimaga would need the nDoom policy 12 months a year. That said, I think that given there are more people here who supports the friendly environment for the site compared to back then, where there were about 6 active members, maybe it could work. However I think it would suck if rating was removed completely, since some people care a lot about it.

My suggestion would be to modify the rating mod to change the icon with a Like/Dislike/+1 button and make the redirect to the "Report to moderator" form, changing the icon with a ! or something. There would be two report links but it may encourage members to report posts more because sometimes there are just too many for mods to check.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2011, 05:42:43 pm »
Yeah, I agree, the Report to moderator button is not big enough and should be besides the post rating buttons with a /!\. And a system à la Facebook (only likes) would be interesting. I would still leave the dislike button though.

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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2011, 05:49:53 pm »
Talking about the report button, I realized we couldn't report our own posts and the message I got was WTF :crazy:

But then I thought: Why the hell did they leave a report link on our own posts? Easter egg? ???


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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2011, 06:05:46 pm »
Yeah it's kinda nonsense... Why they didn't removed the link like they did with post ratings?
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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2011, 07:01:07 pm »
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Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2011, 07:48:35 pm »
On a side note those were the old forum rules:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071021214437/http://omnimaga.org/index.php?act=boardrules

Note that the word filter was not there for very long, if I remember. If I recall correctly, it was only added because people complained the site was blocked everywhere by school filters. In fact I wonder if we ever even turned it ON altogether.