Well, there are quite a few buttons that could be used. I was just saying that [PRGM] and [VARS] are already being used by something else, so if he implements that menu, there might be some conflicts. Also, do any other programs use the double-tap menus or is Omnicalc the only one? I know a few that use [ON]+? for various functions, but not so many for that double-tap.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Well, I guess it's just fine where they are, its not like they are incredibly difficult to find or anything. Just wondering, how would the TIOS be able to tell the difference between Axe source programs and normal programs in the program editor?

^ Shouldn't a 'being able to turn it off' option solve that problem? From my ASM experience, if everything is done right, this shouldn't be too much of a bother to implement (given a version control system ). Quigibo?

still remains the fact the old and news commands would still be plastered all over the forums (and other calc forums), confusing people who don't have the doc open 24/7 and splitting the community in half in the process

I think that the option should be there, but they should not be required.  Also,

still remains the fact the old and news commands would still be plastered all over the forums

Then why don't we take the time to go back through and change the posts?

DJ I think you are not seeing all aspects of this discussion because you are taking too much your position and even taking it personal, in my opinion.

I think DJ is right to hide all the old posts because the transition will be harder if we continue using them. But he might being dramatic, too, for quitting Omnimaga because of Axe Parser changes that are ultimate choice of its coder, Quigibo.
Not doubt users should have an determinant weight on the matter of software but if users are not happy about it, in this kind of situation, the solution is code themselves new software for their needs.
Also you are stressing Quigibo and all others by the "If when I return tonight there are no updates this is my final post on Omnimaga.". At least give more time to Quigibo than just this night. You are making him precipitate a choice. I agree this choice has to be made as soon as possible.

Now about the part you are not giving attention to all aspects:
I enjoy the idea of using the TI-BASIC tokens, it was really good at start but became complicated. Because it really drops readability of Axe Parser source. Programming languages try to be readable to people and programmers. If Axe Parser continues to use TI-BASIC tokens and get more complicate, it will be hard to programmers from any language other than TI-BASIC (and even some TI-BASIC coders that know other languages), because we learnt eventually all the high level math commands of TI-BASIC but others don't.

The best scenario I can think of, and is a good scenario, and is my sincere opinion is:
1. Don't change the tokens, continue using the TI-BASIC tokens like the initial spirit. Keep the TIOS program editor as it is.
2. Code a custom program editor that changes the tokens text for readability.
3. Have 2 documentations whose difference is simply replace old text by new text. Using a HTML template is a way.
4. Encourage coders to use the "readability mode".
This stills has some problems but can be smartly overcome. I think it is worth the effort about the readability and custom editor that can go little more complex in translating the old token text to new.

Responses:

I think that the option should be there, but they should not be required.  Also,

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 17, 2010, 09:48:29 am

still remains the fact the old and news commands would still be plastered all over the forums

Then why don't we take the time to go back through and change the posts?

Totally not practical, it is simply too much code. What we can change is documentation on the commands and a guide to convert old to new code. Move old code posts to a archive, a graceful rest for them. Nothing more can be done about it.

Other thing:
Note our posts decrease and reputation changes. :O

Quote from: Galandros on June 17, 2010, 10:24:37 am

Totally not practical, it is simply too much code. What we can change is documentation on the commands and a guide to convert old to new code. Move old code posts to a archive, a graceful rest for them. Nothing more can be done about it.

hahaha true
Still, good luck with the regular expressions. They might give funny conversions in some cases as well.

EDIT: by the way, they can be conveniently used for the two versions of documentation too.
Keeping a table with equivalents is also nice.

It is Quigibo's project, and if he wants to gear it this way, DJ has no right to hold the subforum hostage in exchange for the tokens to be removed.  Did he think that perhaps Quigibo has plans today, or is busy?  Maybe he doesn't want to spend his day frantically removing the hooks and pushing a new version out the door.