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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2010, 02:18:44 pm »
Because they don't care about the little people like us who actually have to purchase their products haha. Anywho...thanks for the explanation Eeems, that makes sense. Thanks guys :D
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2010, 03:09:34 pm »
ouch. This means for these games they can no longer be pure-basic x.x

Fortunately the ASM code can fix it I guess.

If it crashes on older OSes, just have the player launch the game from a different program that won't run the ASM prog containing this code

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2010, 03:12:41 pm »
Well it is kind of true, you'd think the people who buy the products would have some say on what goes into the OSes. And ya, that is lucky that we can use ASM. (Thanks to who ever decided to implement ASM into calcs!)
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2010, 03:21:59 pm »
yeah, the sad reality, though, is that not all companies listens to their customers.

Microsoft listened to them, barely. After bad responses to Windows Vista being a ressource hog, they released a less ressource-intensive OS, Windows 7. However, they took 6 years to update IE to somethign closer to web standards, and even when IE7 came out, it still didn't support CSS2 properly.

Casio enabled C on the classpad after a year or two of complains about the lack of ASM/C programming on the ClassPad 300 touch screen calc.

TI, however, nothing.

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2010, 03:29:37 pm »
Ya, it really sucks. Those jerks >:D :P And I'm pretty sure Microsoft pretty much had like no choice but to develop Window's 7...the Vista situation was getting bad.
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2010, 03:46:12 pm »
sales were also poor apparently.

Anyway back on topic, I added two recent dual layer ascii tools (including the one by Trev) in the archives :P

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 03:51:34 pm »
Ya, sorry about that :P

Ya, I saw those. I tried out Builderboy's java one, it's pretty cool. I haven't tried the other one though.
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2010, 12:41:07 am »
sales were also poor apparently.

Anyway back on topic, I added two recent dual layer ascii tools (including the one by Trev) in the archives :P

And now Apple seems to be worth more than Microsoft.

And about the hidden characters, if ever you need to get the characters somehow, and you can't download a program for it, you can quickly create a string of all the extra characters this way:

1. First, make this program:

Code: [Select]
PROGRAM:A
:"AsmPrgmC901BB6EBB6F→Str1
:For(I,1,9
:For(J,1,16
:Str1+"BB"+sub("789ABCDEF",I,1)+sub("0123456789ABCDEF",J,1→Str1
:End
:End

2. Run the program

3. Delete every line of the program and recall Str1

4. Delete the first and last quotation marks

5. Go to the home screen and run AsmComp(prgmA,prgmB

6. Go into MirageOS or whatever shell/utility you use

DO NOT RUN THE PROGRAM B OR YOU WILL GET A RAM CLEAR.

7. Unlock or unprotect program B

8. Exit to the home screen, then go into the edit screen for prgmB

All the characters should be there. Just delete the ones you don't need, as well as every quotation mark, and store the result to a string. That's a string with all the extra characters.




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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2010, 12:53:50 am »
That only shows 134 characters I think, not 208.
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2010, 01:00:00 am »
I think the reason why Mac value increased compared to Microsoft is because of the iPod, iPhone and all their revenues from iTunes and other stuff. I seriously doubt their computer sales increased much, especially that now PCs can be just as good for multimedia development. I loved Mac OS style a lot, but Mac computers are so expensive compared to their PC counterpart that people will just go for a PC instead. Can't Mac OS now install on a PC, anyway?


Anyway back on topic, great Deep Thought, that works well, just tried on Wabbitemu (84+ OS 2.53MP) and it can be useful if someone doesn't have a link cable nearby :)

To address what Meishe91 said, is there a way to show more chars?

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2010, 01:03:21 am »
I think the reason why Mac value increased compared to Microsoft is because of the iPod, iPhone and all their revenues from iTunes and other stuff. I seriously doubt their computer sales increased much, especially that now PCs can be just as good for multimedia development. I loved Mac OS style a lot, but Mac computers are so expensive compared to their PC counterpart that people will just go for a PC instead. Can't Mac OS now install on a PC, anyway?


Anyway back on topic, great Deep Thought, that works well, just tried on Wabbitemu (84+ OS 2.53MP) and it can be useful if someone doesn't have a link cable nearby :)

To address what Meishe91 said, is there a way to show more chars?

Mac I'm pretty sure still trumps Windows in multimedia development and such. (At least that is what I think, only reason I want a Mac...)
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2010, 01:12:32 am »
That only shows 134 characters I think, not 208.

Aren't the remaining characters the easily accessible ones (i.e., numbers, letters, and brackets)?




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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2010, 07:51:45 am »
I would think so. Those, I think, are actually single-byte tokens, which means that they don't have the same form as the others (e.g. something like 42 'B' versus BB73 (don't know what it is, but you get the point))
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2010, 02:52:43 pm »
Yeah I think they would require some modification in the BASIC prog above to be accessible.

Btw are there still characters that will change to other tokens when stored to strings/ans? I remember on older calc OSes I had a nice looking character and wanted to store it in a string, then it changed to random TI-BASIC commands.

Another example is when saving external Mario levels in lowercase, notice what happens when you try pasting the program name on the homescreen.

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2010, 06:03:53 pm »
First item: yeah, I've seen that, though I forget for what tokens.
About Mario: that's because program names use raw characters, but the homescreen uses tokens. So your single-byte letter becomes a one-byte token.
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