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Why doesn't the emulator work on the N-Spire? It's driving me crazy that my calculator won't run anything. My parents bought it for me instead of the 84. It's too much to buy another one. Why is the N-Spire so incompetent? Please e-mail me if you know. [email protected]I'd also like to keep track of the project. Let me know if there's anything an amateur can do to help!
Highlight censored angry text below to see it04:00 < TheStorm> BrandonW, apparently they have found the reason for the issues with TI-boy and realsound on teh new 84's04:01 -!- Barrett [[email protected]] has quit [Leaving]04:01 < BrandonW> No, they haven't, TheStorm.04:01 < BrandonW> He's told me about it.04:01 < BrandonW> And I don't believe it.04:01 < BrandonW> I'll let Ben argue the idiocy of it.04:02 < TheStorm> well from the screenshots and the modified Wabbitemu test that appears to be the cause04:02 < BrandonW> I don't care, I don't believe it.04:03 < BrandonW> Modifying a PC emulator to suit your theories doesn't make it true.04:03 < BrandonW> That's a stupid "test."04:03 < i_c-Y> BrandonW will NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER04:03 < i_c-Y> BWAHAHAHAA.04:03 < TheStorm> BrandonW, how would they prove it?04:03 < _Digital> is that what you believe?04:03 < _Digital> yes04:03 < _Digital> Are you willing to die for that belief?04:04 < BrandonW> A simple program that swaps in every RAM page like the OS does and writes and reads back a distinct value from them.04:04 < BrandonW> I have one of these so-called "new 84+SEs" and that's not the case.04:04 < BrandonW> His only argument is that his own program and RealSound don't work.04:04 < BrandonW> And they're known to do scary stuff to the hardware.04:05 < TheStorm> well what do you think could cause it?04:05 < BrandonW> Screwing with the hardware in a way we don't understand that causes bleedthrough like they're seeing.04:05 < TheStorm> It still seems like its a hardware issue, maybe the rampages aren04:05 < TheStorm> 't swapping properly04:06 < BrandonW> There might be some issue with swapping some pages to certain banks in a stable way, but to say the RAM pages aren't there? Horseshit.04:06 < BrandonW> I won't believe it until someone mails me one.04:06 < BrandonW> And I see it for myself.04:06 < BrandonW> And I'd be perfectly willing to go to Wal-Mart and buy one temporarily to prove it.04:07 < BrandonW> Ben already wrote the "simple program" mentioned above and it passed.04:07 < BrandonW> They have all eight RAM pages.04:07 < BrandonW> Saying they don't is nonsense.04:07 < BrandonW> They're causing a panic for no reason.04:08 < BrandonW> Is RealSound source even released?04:08 < BrandonW> They're not even willing to release code to reproduce the "problem."04:08 < BrandonW> So I say it's made-up until I'm shown otherwise.04:08 < BrandonW> I don't care what they SAY is going on.04:09 < BrandonW> Thanks for getting me fired up, I was about to fall asleep in my chair and I need to get some work done before I go to bed.04:10 < TheStorm> which ben wrote the program and where is it?04:12 < BrandonW> Moody, it's on the United TI thread.04:12 < BrandonW> Keep in mind, there are at LEAST two ports that influence extra RAM page swapping that we have no idea about.04:13 < TheStorm> ahh ok04:13 < BrandonW> We've seen before that basic hardware can go wonky without a little help from new ports.04:13 < BrandonW> Like all the RAM/Flash/LCD delay ports.04:14 < BrandonW> I'm clearly biased on any test done on this, so I trust Ben to prove or disprove what's really going on.04:14 < BrandonW> So I'm staying out of the public debate.04:16 -!- j-b-r [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]]04:17 < sir_lewk> rum sours are delicious drinks but daaaamn they smell like battery acid04:17 < BrandonW> I honestly would not be surprised if ports 0E and 0F are some sort of read/write delay which needs to be higher when swapping from certain banks.04:17 < BrandonW> And that it's not enough for what they're doing in RealSound and TI-Boy SE.04:18 < BrandonW> We've seen before that the boot code can set unknown ports like that to set a reasonable delay to make the TI-OS work, but break our stuff.04:18 < TheStorm> and since its a custom asic we don't have a datasheet like we do with the display deriver04:18 < BrandonW> That's 100% what we're seeing here.04:19 < BrandonW> Right, and I very highly doubt they just chopped off 80KB from the chip.04:19 < BrandonW> Because that's what he claims.04:19 < BrandonW> That page 2 is a mirror of page 3.04:19 < BrandonW> That's nonsense.04:20 < TheStorm> wouldn't that break many of your programs also?04:20 < BrandonW> Yes, and I've never once heard of this issue.04:20 < BrandonW> He's the one stirring all this up.04:20 < BrandonW> He has this idea in his head and isn't letting go.04:21 < BrandonW> There are things I don't do, pages I never put in certain banks.04:21 < BrandonW> And it's possible any combination of things is causing the issue for him.04:21 < BrandonW> He's forced to do scary stuff because of RAM execution permissions and the way the emulator works.04:23 < BrandonW> He's already saying I have to treat some 84+SEs in OS2 as 83+s.04:23 < BrandonW> Nonsense, and I won't even respond to it.04:23 < BrandonW> If he wants to go on spreading that crap, by all means.04:24 < TheStorm> It just doesn't make sence, I'm sure TI uses those extra ram pages somewhere.04:24 < sir_lewk> goodnight all04:24 < BrandonW> It doesn't make sense at all, and the OS is designed to swap in pairs at a time (1\0, 3\2, etc.)04:24 < BrandonW> Having only pages 0, 1, and 2 is nonsense.04:24 <+Netham45> Aren't the extra RAM pages used in TiOS during USB communications?04:25 < BrandonW> Yes.04:25 <+Netham45> So, wouldn't that be a good test to see if the extra pages are there?04:25 < BrandonW> The start of that extra memory mapping, yes, so only page 83h (the 3 in 3\2).04:25 < BrandonW> What's the point of a freaking test, the OS uses it! Why would TI release hardware changes that the TI-OS wouldn't run on?!04:25 < BrandonW> Use common sense, people.04:26 < BrandonW> I'm not sure he even knows what he's talking about, last thing he said to me was that pages 2, 4, and 6 all map to the same page.04:27 < BrandonW> Come on, what makes more sense, that TI ripped out chunks of RAM from the ASIC, or that a port has a screwed-up value and is causing bleedthrough?04:27 < BrandonW> I want one of these calculators for myself.04:28 < BrandonW> If you know someone who claims to be having problems, tell them I'm willing to trade an 84+ or 84+SE for it.04:28 < TheStorm> ok I'd say that in teh UTI thread then
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