Levak & Lionel although I understand (and agree with) your points, it would be best to leave him do what he wants if he is not willing to use an external lib. Insisting will not work. Of course I think it would be better to use an existing lib that is very good, but I see nothing wrong with trying to learn how things work first, in case this might help him code better or using new techniques in the future.

Also to Levak, this is Omnimaga. There is a difference between criticizing Matrefeytontias and being a total jerk to him. The former is perfectly fine and allowed on Omni, but the latter is not.

The second half of your first post, along with most of your 2nd and 3rd post (and the entire content of Lionel's posts) are fine, but the tone that you used in the following quote was totally uncalled for:

Quote from: Matrefeytontias on June 11, 2013, 11:20:24 am

for this I reused part of a library I'm writing to deal with screen and pixels

Like ... nSDL ?

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My library handles cross-compatibility, so you can use the same *.tns file for both CX and non-CX calcs

Like ... nSDL ?

From Omnimaga front page:

Our community goal is to provide a discussion environment free of any hostility for all coders wanting to learn, give or get help, showcase their work, discuss

We are trying to get people to learn, not trying in every way possible to scare them away from the forums or discourage them from coding. Granted, since the past few years we are a little less nice to school cheaters, community troublemakers and people who does no effort to learn, but Matrefeytontias is WAY better than that (some of his ticalc files made front page news, after all). If you are gonna criticize matrefeytontias, please keep it clean from any form of insults to his intelligence level.

Remember 2008.

Thank you.

Yeah I was implying at any time that your entire posts were fine (since I didn't quote any part of them, unlike levak), but I thought that I would specify it through an edit in case there were any misunderstoods.

And yeah I understand. It's kinda like when someone starts creating an RPG, but then spends 6 months optimizing a text routine he created himself when a good one is already available on ticalc.org, while people on forums are anxiously hoping that the game will even progress further.

I'd like to just say also that I absolutely don't find this as hostile :

Quote from: Levak on June 22, 2013, 09:00:49 pm

Quote from: Matrefeytontias on June 11, 2013, 11:20:24 am

for this I reused part of a library I'm writing to deal with screen and pixels

Like ... nSDL ?

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My library handles cross-compatibility, so you can use the same *.tns file for both CX and non-CX calcs

Like ... nSDL ?

If this is indeed a languauge difference in interpretation, then... we can't do much about it.

Also, as Levak said about his signature on TI-Planet, it sums up his mind. Might not be an excuse, but it's his way of talking/teaching, and it can have advantages and drawbacks, but "harsh" sentences when teaching never killed anyone....

(believe me, I've lived with him or 2 months )



Also, Levak :

May I shave myself then ?

wat ?
Even in french it doesn't mean anything
(à la limite, "jpeux aller me brosser ... ?" )

If it's language barrier then it's fine, but I speak from experience: In the past there are people who left other calc forums because of unnecessarily hostile comments then migrated to Omnimaga. Worse: there are potentially good coders who didn't find about Omnimaga then simply moved on to bigger platforms. So yes, there are people who have done it before, hence my Remember 2008 comment. Matrefeytontias won't leave, but we still have to be careful with who we are dealing with, in case.

As for what I sae in the comment I quoted, it seemed like you were trying to make Matrefeytontias feel or look stupid in front of other people. The way it was worded (or Google-translated?) and punctuated implied it at least. To avoid it in the future, you should probably say "Like nSDL?" Instead of "Like.. nSDL?", but also only ask it once instead of twice (just reply to both quotes at once).

As for your signature I understand, although remember that people may not be necessarily willing to learn/code the way you want, even if you are not fine with it.

Also if someone tries to sound harsh to people, it is often unnecessary and the person will have some troubles concentrating on the post content. It is only really necessary if for example someone asks help to install nLaunch because he's gonna fail his test, if he insists so that you give him code for an engine so he doesn't have to learn how to code it himself or if he's being arrogant or repeatedly breaks forum rules. Else it's like if in a math class you asked help to the teacher and he started yelling at you (he would lose his job fast) about how retarded you are for not being able to solve the problem yourself. Plus it might make some people label you as a troll.

In conclusion, while we want to help people coding better, we also want our community to remain as friendly as possible and being friendly while helping is not that hard.

Well it depends of people. Knowing Matrefeytontias I don't think it makes much of a difference except that he seemed a bit annoyed, but there are a bunch of people who will either leave, get extremely mad or never ever ask help again on the forums (like what happened before). I know myself that this happened on another forum way back in 2003-04 and I have only ever asked help there again once afterward (for someone else). I would just ask elsewhere afterward and even then I was reluctant to do it.

Besides, being rude for no reason has similar effects as trolling, in the way that it results into discussions derailing into off-topic arguments/debates. Anyway case closed I guess (if it ever gets bad we can always use the "report to moderator" link anyway), so we can go back to the original discussion.

Ah ok. Over here I never saw a teacher yell, be rude or disrespectful towards a student unless he was disrupting the class by talking or breaking class policies often. If a teacher was like that students could report him and he could get in trouble if there were multiple reportings of him. But again if the student is causing trouble or is being disrespectful then expect the teacher to put him back in his place fast.

That said, maybe the way some forum sentences are worded may make them sound more rude than they are in reality may have played a role too (since text is like the worst medium to send emotions and sarcasm). Not that much can be done about it, though, unless someone uses smileys.

Anyway, since the only comment that you posted that was questionable (the one I quoted, since all your other comments were fine) seems like a language barrier issue, then I guess we can move on. You should maybe put your TI-Planet sig here too, though