Right now, I'm really considering whether or not i should simply go away

Assuming you are really considering leaving (*), I strongly doubt you'll conclude that you should simply go away without releasing the source code of your work - lest you want to prove us right in retrospect and damage your reputation even further
But if you conclude that you should go away rather than trying to work cooperatively with upstream nspire_emu and efficiently help making the best possible Nspire emulator (that's what we're all asking for, the best explanation was probably Hayleia's above, as shown by the high number of upvotes it received) - IOW, if you don't want to make a more than welcome departure from your current obstructive behaviour - then so be it.

One thing that you might want to take into account when thinking about what you should do, is that I, and the others who agree with me, will be right (for the sake of the community) both ways, whether you release the source code or you don't:
* if you don't, we'll have been right to ask, and later warn against your versions;
* if you do, we'll have been right to pressure you into becoming a more useful member of the community.

Since people have not gotten the message that this is something that should not be pushed in a public place, the next person to downtalk someone for their choice on if they release their source code gets a 1 day temp ban.

Don't you think that this kind of moderator decisions will make people just use other ways and venues than Omnimaga to get SpiroH to behave more constructively, because that's in the community's best interests ?
As you know, in the TI community, I seldom complain that a community program is closed-source, and besides, I usually choose softer forms of expression. The admittedly increasingly hardball play, in this occurrence, is done because it is important that everybody can get the best open-source community Nspire emulator, and because it is flat out silly that anyone would have to waste time reinventing SpiroH's working wheel. I'm trying various tricks to try and prevent that outcome. Being polite didn't work, playing hardball hasn't yet worked.

and all you get here for your work are just allegations and hostilities

You seem to have missed that, once again, that our posts (including this one, and the one from yesterday morning which triggered the current discussion) do acknowledge the useful bits of his work...

certain TI community members are convinced that SpiroH's only intention with KarmTI/nSpiKx is to flat-out compete directly against nspire_emu in order to get an ego boost, a common practice among past TI programmers on ticalc.org

We think that there are no valid reasons for what he's doing, only bad reasons, excuses and pretexts. Ego (trying to make one's indispensable) is definitely one of the possible causes of not releasing the source code and/or nor behaving constructively.
Why are we attributing an ego to SpiroH, though it's possible that it's not his motivation ? Simply by experience: over time, in the TI community, as DJ_O indicates, we've seen some technically capable persons with large egos, and the harm their behaviour created in the community.

Indeed, VTI's source code is outdated, which is why critor indicated that it's closed-source (for practical purposes)

(*): over time, in the TI community, we saw several perverts who had no intention to either fix their wrong ways or leave, but nevertheless threatened to leave. I'm not stating that you're one of them, just that such statements remind me of bogus threats I read in the past.

In response to SpiroH and fhub, no, it is not always the same people who answer since that was the first time I said something about it. And SpiroH didn't only get allegations and hostilities, at first he had compliments and politely-asked request about source code or using the last version of nspire_emu. All the askers got was a "no", and not a "no because..." so the askers asked again and got the same answer so they asked again, etc, and we are still at the same point.

In fact, what people want is not the source code, they want to see karmTI with the latest version of nspire_emu, but since you don't do it, they ask for the source to do it themselves, and this is where you get angry.
And leaving would be even more stupid because no one would be able to add the latest version of nspire_emu to karmTI sonce you would be gone and others wouldn't have the source code.

So SpiroH, I can understand why you don't release the source code, you can be afraid of code stealers. But why don't you use the latest version of nspire_emu ? I mean, using the last version would make your emu better so why avoiding it ?
If you give an answer to that question, the askers will certainly let you alone, and that would be the solution (and not leaving).

Although one member here (the one who complained most) has mentioned several times that newer nspire_emu versions would exist,

They do.

but he never said where this newer version(s) could be downloaded.

You're having it backwards again, Franz: there's no improved public version of nspire_emu (at least the very latest version, with GDBstub, Nspire CAS+, RS232 input support and other stuff) because of SpiroH's closed-source fork.

So how can anyone complain that SpiroH won't use the latest nspire_emu, when he simply has no chance to get it anywhere???

Of course he has a chance to get it. He just has to work with upstream, which, AFAICT, he hasn't tried to do, despite my indications.
As one of the contributors to upstream, I'd probably know if he had tried.

Quote from: critor on December 22, 2012, 07:37:41 am

Lionel gave the link to the updated source in a similar topic.

Where? Can you provide a link?

All I've read from him (at least in the kArmTI thread) was something like "If you (SpiroH) don't give us your sources we'll not publish new nspire_emu source anymore". Just childish ...

Please, do *not* treat us as childish.

If SpiroH has the right, according to you, to use other's work in a non-mutual way, then the others have the right to stop updating, temporarily (if a new licence has to be chosen for future updates) or even permanently.


And I'd really like to see the next nspire_emu version released. It's wonderful with CAS+ emulation and RS232 input support!


That very last version remains private for now (build and source).

Quote from: critor on December 22, 2012, 08:29:24 am

If SpiroH has the right, according to you, to use other's work in a non-mutual way, then the others have the right to stop updating, temporarily (if a new licence has to be chosen for future updates) or even permanently.

Absolutely correct! But then nobody can complain that SpiroH doesn't use this 'new' updates!
How should he if they aren't released?

The very last version has not been released and it's a pity - yes.

But I've never said that previous versions source code wasn't available publicly.

AOC: have you (Omnimaga moderators and admins in general), considered that by clamping down on such discussions to try and (fail to) create a hostility-free environment, you are helping the original trouble-maker, the disrespectful person who started it all, to keep being disrespectful to an entire community ?
As critor and others explained, a closed-source fork of an open-source program precisely goes against another part of the very rule you're quoting: "allowing all coders to learn, help others".

I don't see any "trouble maker" nor anyone who is being disrespectful. All I see is a coder wishing to release a fork of the Nspire emu that is easy to use. It's not a rule I quote either, more of a mission statement of what we are about. I understand that it is your opinion that this project would be much better open source, however it is his choice to do so. While it is true that others could possibly learn something from the source, this project is not directly impeding anyone from learning and to suggest such is just silly. Furthermore this topic is about the current release of nSpiKx. Not whether or not you or anyone else thinks it should be open source. Let's not get any more of topic on this thread than we already have.
*Edit* And seriously people stop with all the negative downrate spamming. It's getting ridiculous.

As far as I know, nspire_emu is public domain. This makes it perfectly fine for people to fork it and close-source it. If it had a licence, it'd be an entire different story.

So people, please just quit whining at eachother, download the emulator if you have a Mac, and be happy.