I looked at a kids calc today for him while I was talking to you and kerm on cemetech (he's fairly savvy but had forgotten his krolypto pasword and locked himself out of the mem menu). anywho, I noticed he had several games on there by me and kerm, and he had the old AOD2....I told him that I was the the author of sw:esb and battlefield, and that I was talking to the guys who had written the other games he had on there. anyway, to get to the point of the story I told him to get the new AOD2, and I gave him CtlgHelp so he could start programming in TI-Basic (he already knows VB6)