Post by: {AP} on December 05, 2007, 02:54:00 pm
I've only recently learned from other people... for about a year, I'd been making one off of pure experimenting. I never had the book or any explanation on coding at all... I just picked it up and went along.
Anyway... to the actual game.
It's (currently) mostly text-based, does use the menu( function (due to memory and time problems mostly) but is otherwise well set-up.
Equipment:
TI 83+ calculator.
That's it.
Team:
Programmer - Me
Stats:
- 3 programs
- Total about 5k taken up.
- Technically about 1.5 years. but only a few months of on/off time between school and home life in reality
Character
- 3 base classes
- 3 branches for each base class
- 12 total classes
- All classes have either specialized stats or abilities
- 5 races which mostly determine your starting stats and what classes can be picked.
- About 20 unique enemies of levels 1-10
- Enemies include their own stats, name, attack (i.e. It
you for damage!), exp/gold drop rates
- Nice, efficient, good-looking battle system completely designed by me.
- Not too fast, but does work properly for a turn-based system.
- Accuracy checks, moderated damage, well thought-out formulas (except damage formula which I'll admit to taking and modifying slightly)
- Working HP and EXP bars showing correctly how close you each are to death and how close you are to next level.
- Currently only an HP Potion and Town Portal.
- Work completely.
- Intuitive buy structure. Can buy one, go back, or buy multiples.
- Descriptions of every item.
- Inn, to rest and fully heal, for a price.
- Character sheet which scrolls through 3 pages displaying stats, personal information, inventory, gold, etc.
- 6 save slots
Coming Soon!
- Weapons and armor.
- Creature drops. (creatures dropping items randomly)
- Hopefully, a somewhat more graphical interface.
4 new classes (1 base, 3 branches)1 new race (devoted to the new classes mostly)- A bit faster, more efficient re-coding of the battle system.
- Higher levels enemies.
- A bit of a story.
- Quests. (to go with story)
- Sell feature in shop.
- More items.
Well, that's all for now.
Any questions? Comments? Anything else?
I plan to stick around and I'm using this game as my intro topic so expect to hear from me more. =P
(BTW, I read the AOCII topic and was glad that someone a bit more skilled started an AOE-based game too... I had one planned but got sidetracked and never got to it much.)
Post by: trevmeister66 on December 05, 2007, 03:50:00 pm
This sounds good, and I'm looking forward to playing this. Any idea when you'll have a demo release? :)
Post by: {AP} on December 05, 2007, 03:52:00 pm
Any ideas where I can find one without rebuying the calulator?
Post by: Speler on December 05, 2007, 03:58:00 pm
Post by: {AP} on December 05, 2007, 04:28:00 pm
I'll put up a demo ASAP.
Thanks for the support so early. =D
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 05, 2007, 06:28:00 pm
I hope to try the RPG soon, I am surprised you learned basic without the book tho because i couldn't understand anythign without it o.o
Keep up the good work. :)
Post by: Liazon on December 05, 2007, 06:39:00 pm
Post by: Calc84 on December 06, 2007, 09:10:00 am
:/
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 01:37:00 pm
I'll have a readme up with it as well.
Post by: bfr on December 06, 2007, 02:50:00 pm
| QUOTE (Calc84 @ 6 Dec, 2007, 14:10) |
| What is this "book" thing you guys are talking about? (i am currently learning TI-BASIC) :/ |
I'm guessing DJ_Omnimaga is referring to the manual for the calculator.
Anyway, wow, this RPG looks pretty complex. I can't wait to play it. B)
Post by: Speler on December 06, 2007, 02:53:00 pm
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 02:58:00 pm
I need to know how you get it to where you can edit programs on the computer.
The software that came with the cable doesn't help there...
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on December 06, 2007, 03:01:00 pm
| QUOTE ((AP) @ 6 Dec, 2007, 18:58) |
| Ok, having a slight problem... as I'm quite new to the whole 'linking calc to comp' thing... I need to know how you get it to where you can edit programs on the computer. The software that came with the cable doesn't help there... |
You cannot edit BASIC programs on the computer. All you can do is send your programs to it, which is useful for uploading, emulator testing, and backup purposes. The cable that came with your calc will connect your calc and computer, while the software will allow you to send programs to and from your computer.
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 03:03:00 pm
I'm sure of that.
And that's my intention. ^_~
Post by: Speler on December 06, 2007, 03:11:00 pm
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 03:15:00 pm
I haven't been nearly as efficient as I'd have liked and I have that weird personality where I need to be at least near par with peers...
Blah, screw it. I'll just get the groups together and upload it.
It'll be done tonight.
Post by: Speler on December 06, 2007, 03:16:00 pm
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Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 03:21:00 pm
I'll probably benefit more when you guys check it out and give me input.
I'm writing up a readme now.
I expect the demo to be up in about 1-20 minutes. =P
Post by: trevmeister66 on December 06, 2007, 03:42:00 pm
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 06, 2007, 04:00:00 pm
| QUOTE (Delnar_Ersike @ 6 Dec, 2007, 21:01) | ||
QuoteBegin-(AP)+6 Dec, 2007, 18:58-->
You cannot edit BASIC programs on the computer. All you can do is send your programs to it, which is useful for uploading, emulator testing, and backup purposes. The cable that came with your calc will connect your calc and computer, while the software will allow you to send programs to and from your computer. |
Yes you can edit BASIC programs on the computer, using TI-Graph Link software, but good luck finding it on TI website because it's hidden inside their maze website. I still have the CD containing TI graph link. You can even protect/unprotect programs on the pc
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 04:09:00 pm
Anywho, the demo is now up on the first post.
It's my first time with this... so tell me if I messed up with the files... ^_^;
(Note: Was wrong about size... it's 4097 + 5115 + 883 + 767x2. The 767x2 is archived and unarchived in the program though. [pics])
Post by: trevmeister66 on December 06, 2007, 04:23:00 pm
). Few things:- After I saved for the first time, it somehow gave me 1200 xp, and thus I gained 4 levels for free.
- It doesn't display the numerical value of ur enemies hp, just the bar.
- I would suggest, although it's alright now, that you make a more graphical menu system, but that's just me. (Menu('s and Lbl's and Goto = :knight:
)- I'm guessing there isn't a way to get any weapons or armour yet.
- It should tell you whether or not a file has already been saved too, instead of just saving over it.
- I really like the info screens, where you move left or right and it shows a different screen. :thumb:
I haven't looked at the code, so I'll do that so I can give you some optimization tips. All-in-all a very good demo. I can't wait for more!
EDIT: Some optimization tips:
You don't need )'s or "'s before ->
You can change this:
c1-->
| CODE |
| ec1If ListA(8)=10c2 |
ec2
to:
c1
-->to:
c1
| CODE |
| ec1If 10=ListA(8c2 |
ec2
Saves a byte each time (there were a few that I saw like that).
And of corse, try avoiding Lbl-Goto's. You have a few instances that you Goto out of an If-Then, which cause a Memory leak, and cause the game to go slower.
Saves a byte each time (there were a few that I saw like that).
And of corse, try avoiding Lbl-Goto's. You have a few instances that you Goto out of an If-Then, which cause a Memory leak, and cause the game to go slower.
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 04:31:00 pm
The enemy HP thing is how it's supposed to be. =P
You don't always know how much they're hurt exactly... but you can see when they're about to die. ^_~
I'm not sure why the levels happened when saved... if you pressed 'Cheat' then it should happen (which is probably what you did at first).
I have an idea fo the saving thing... never thought about it til now.
Read the readme a bit more. It explains a bit of what you brought up and will help out. ^_~
Post by: trevmeister66 on December 06, 2007, 04:33:00 pm
I also edited my last post for some optimization things.
Post by: {AP} on December 06, 2007, 04:36:00 pm
Really, I just have a hard time finding alternates to Lbl-Goto isn a few instances. I'll work on it tomorrow.
Thanks again. =3
(Well, I'm off for tonight. School and all. I'll work on optimization as much as I can.)
Post by: {AP} on December 07, 2007, 11:27:00 am
Made optimizations. Uploaded v1.1.
Enjoy! =D
More comments and suggestions welcome. =3
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2007, 12:00:00 pm
Post by: {AP} on December 07, 2007, 03:35:00 pm
I hope to have it done and partially tested by tonight. Though, things may get complicated. Expect about 500 more RAM taken up. (rough guesstimate)
Post by: Xphoenix on December 08, 2007, 06:19:00 am
| QUOTE ((AP) @ 6 Dec, 2007, 20:58) |
| Ok, having a slight problem... as I'm quite new to the whole 'linking calc to comp' thing... I need to know how you get it to where you can edit programs on the computer. The software that came with the cable doesn't help there... |
Not entirely sure no one has given a link yet, but http://education.ti.com/educationportal/appsdelivery/download/save_download.jsp?cid=us&countryid=US&isocode=EN&contentpaneid=7&applicationid=161&softwareid=6471&inputpage=I is probably the best solution for editing on the computer.
Post by: Delnar_Ersike on December 08, 2007, 12:56:00 pm
-Special characters take up 2 bytes while normal ones only take up 1 byte. This means lowercase letters take up twice the amount of space uppercase ones take up. Even if lowercase letters make the game look prettier, try replacing them with uppercase letters to save space.
-Try making labels' names as short as possible to save space.
-Towards the beginning of prgmARPG, there is a section of code that looks like this:c1-->
| CODE |
| ec1:Repeat Ans=14 :getkey :If Ans=12 :Goto N :If Ans=13 :Goto LZ :Endc2 |
ec2As you can see, there is a high chance (66%) of a memory leak: even if you put the Goto's in If statements, not If-Then ones, they are still inside a Repeat loop. Try changing the code to make sure the memory leak doesn't happen and see if you can replace other sections of code similar to this one.
-Instead of ->(variable), you can use DelVar (variable) to save two, yes that's two bytes. Not only is it one character less, but you can enter a second command after it without using [Enter]. For example, c1
-->-Instead of ->(variable), you can use DelVar (variable) to save two, yes that's two bytes. Not only is it one character less, but you can enter a second command after it without using [Enter]. For example, c1
| CODE |
| ec1:->A :3->Bc2 |
ec2can be changed into c1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:DelVar A3->Bc2 |
ec2-Try reworking certain expressions so that they save space. An example would be to makec1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:L1(1)+2->L1(1c2 |
ec2intoc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:2+L1(1->L1(1c2 |
ec2-Iirc, custom-named lists (LA, for example) take up more space than built-in lists (L1, for example). Try replacing your custom-named lists with built-in ones, except in cases of long-term storage.
-Use boolean logic to replace loops like thisc1
-->-Use boolean logic to replace loops like thisc1
| CODE |
| ec1:Repeat K=!0c2 |
ec2with thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:Repeat Kc2 |
ec2and statements like thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:If K=3 :B+5->Bc2 |
ec2with thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:B+5(K=3->Bc2 |
ec2-Ans can be used with more than just numbers. If you want to display different texts depending on a variable's value at the exact same place, you can use Ans by using If statements for the variable value possibilities and then putting the text you want to display for each value into Ans. At the end of all the If statements, display Ans with a Text( command. An example would be to change thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:If K=2 :Text(0,0,"HI :If K=3 :Text(0,0,"HELLOc2 |
ec2with thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:If K=2 :"HI :If K=3 :"HELLO :Text(0,0,Ansc2 |
ec2Or better yet, you can change the previous piece of code into thisc1
-->| CODE |
| ec1:"HI :If K=3 :"HELLO :Text(0,0,Ansc2 |
ec2-I can see you did a good job removing the ending parentheses and quotation marks, but I can still locate places which you forgot. An example (this time actually from the program) would be to change thisc1
-->| CODE | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ec1:Text(13,7,"HP
Post by: {AP} on December 08, 2007, 01:08:00 pm This is the kind of post I needed. I'll work on this tonight. You rock! ^_^ Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 02:13:00 pm Added 4 classes(mages with spells), 1 race, 2 items, a bit more optimization, and... something else... I forget, though. Read the readme. It'll explain a lot. I think I'll add weapons and armor with the next update. Either that or see what I can do about a suitable graphic interface. I have the ability, I'm just trying to think of a good looking way that's fast and efficient. Post by: trevmeister66 on December 10, 2007, 03:34:00 pm Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 03:41:00 pm You're like my only supporter... X3 You're the only one here keeping me working. ^_^ Equipment or graphics next? Post by: trevmeister66 on December 10, 2007, 03:50:00 pm ) Very nice system. I especially like the level 10 Naked Squirrel attack.. Haha. I didn't look at the code to help with optimizations, but I can tell there is still some stuff that can be worked on (I'm guessing Goto's out of If-Then or Loops.)
I'd rather you go with graphics. A custom menu system would be very cool. Also I think you should have the user select their race before they select their class. That's the more typical RPGish way of doing player selection. But then again I also want some weapons to mess around with, so I guess it's really up to you. I'm guessing you're going to add more spells? And if you are, I suggest you make the players have to get to a certain level before they can obtain the spells, or make them do a quest or something (if you're going to implement quests). But all-in-all, this is looking very good. Can't wait for another update :) Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 04:03:00 pm Yeah, the race then class thing was brought up a few times. I think I will. Shouldn't take much time. Graphics it is then. I'll work on those for awhile. I'm not thinking about implementing more spells... but I may. 7 was enough for me. I might if I find more optimizations and can upgrade the other classes to match their power too. Quests should be added later too. (when I get rewards... (more items/equipment) (Note: Half of the creatures were made by my friends... so that explains the weirdness. Personally, weird was what I was going for.) Finally, thanks again, man. You rock. ^_^ Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2007, 04:06:00 pm EDIT: Nice so far.. One thing I noticed tho is that in battles text appear quiclky then as game goes on it show up for a longer amount of time. THere may be a memory leak somewhere, like a Goto instruction inside a If:Then:Else statement or inside a While:End or Repeat:End. Those have to be avoided as much as possible else after playing for a very long while the user will get an ERR:MEMORY. Otherwise nice work so far. Post by: trevmeister66 on December 10, 2007, 04:12:00 pm
I guess I didn't play enough to test all the spells, but I think it would cool if each class had 1 special spell once they reach a certain level. For example, a Dark Knight might have a special spell to do like x2 damage or something, or have the Paladin have a special where if he gets lower than 10% HP, then his ATK goes up by 50%. It would add a bit of replay value if every class had something worth attaining after a certain level. BTW, what's the highest level we can go up to? Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 04:16:00 pm Might be more than 1k... o.o Hm... nice idea though... I'll see what I can do. Level cap = how ever long you wanna kill lvl 10s. Though it'll actually get to getting 1 exp from lvl 10s when you hit somewhere in the 100s. Though if you do THAT you've got NO life at all... I wouldn't see anyone going past 15 right now. Not until I get more creatures at least. Post by: trevmeister66 on December 10, 2007, 04:28:00 pm
If you're worried about memory, you should think about using Resource, found http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/372/37261.html, (tutorial http://tifreakware.net/tutorials/83p/b/misc/resource.htm. Itll help you with space. QuoteBegin
Well, I'm going to try to get passed level 15.. Because you only have up to 10 levels for enemies, and there's no lvl cap, then you should allow the player to enter in a level, and it randomly selects an enemy name, or however you do it, and have some equation that sets the enemy HP/ATK/DEF/SPD based on what level the player chose. Just a suggestion. Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 04:31:00 pm And I'll take a look at Resource, thanks AGAIN. =P EDIT: Having a bit of trouble fully understanding how to properly use Resource. Any clarification from anyone would be nice. =P Post by: trevmeister66 on December 10, 2007, 04:46:00 pm Post by: {AP} on December 10, 2007, 04:55:00 pm I can't quite grasp what it's saying that it does exactly. All I fully retained is that it can make it to where only one program is taking up RAM at a time. Just not sure of the exacts of how it works. Cause it seems to me that I still must have the main program up the whole time. Which takes the 2nd most space and having up ARPG and ABATTLE at the same time is the main problem since they're (currently) about 10k on their own. Maybe I'm just not understanding correctly... >_< Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2007, 06:35:00 pm http://tifreakware.net/tutorials/83p/b/misc/resource.htm because apparently the original reamde is cryptic and hard to understand Post by: Delnar_Ersike on December 11, 2007, 02:04:00 pm -Nice job with the DelVar's, but you can save even more space by deleting the [Enter] between the DelVar command and the next command. An example would be to change thisc1-->
ec2into thisc1 -->
ec2 -->-Combine like terms. I have noticed many repeated commands under different labels that you can combine. An exampe would be to change thisc1
ec2into thisc1 -->
ec2 -->-You can delete ending parentheses and quotation marks before -> commands just like you can at the end of the command -At the end of your programs, you can changec1
ec2intoc1 -->
ec2. It does the same effect (iirc), and even if it doesn't, I don't think that extra space is worth the fact that there is no "Done" when you quit. -->-You can still change around a couple of equations and inequalities so you can shave off an ending parentheses. An example would be to change thisc1
ec2into thisc1 -->
ec2 -->-I still caught a couple of ->(variable)'s in your programs. Look through them again, and replace each with DelVar (variable)'s -Again, I caught a couple of statements similar to this:c1
ec2I think you know what to do with these statements (hint: look at my note on boolean logic in my previous post)...
I'm pretty short on time, so that is all you will get from me right now. And never forget to look through all of your programs multiple times, as you will still be able to catch a couple chances to optimize here and there... ;) Post by: {AP} on December 11, 2007, 03:00:00 pm I'll work on this for the next hour or so. Then I'll show what I have done. (More graphical and different enemy settings) EDIT: Uploaded v0.6 I left v0.5 on the first page. Post by: trevmeister66 on December 11, 2007, 03:04:00 pm Post by: {AP} on December 11, 2007, 03:06:00 pm Tell me how the creatures are now too. I haven't been able to test past lvl 2 yet. Post by: trevmeister66 on December 11, 2007, 03:27:00 pm ). I'm glad to see you did a graphical map. But...c1-->
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