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Title: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 24, 2011, 08:18:29 pm
Quasilat is a game similar to Deep Thought's Simul, but in BASIC (and a lot worse :P). It's pretty slow right now, but the speed is fine if run on Wabbitemu (400% speed for the TI-83+ or 150% for the TI-83+SE).

Everything is explained in the readme in the .zip file except for one thing: the progress bar for each level is at the bottom.

Most recent release: http://ourl.ca/9352/183234

The screenshot below shows two games at once.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on February 24, 2011, 11:13:55 pm
Okay, this is awesome.  Wonderful game!  I really like it; great job, program4. ;D

One quick suggestion:  Use Pt-On(X,Y,3) and Pt-Off(X,Y,3) for the +s in game three instead of Text(). ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 24, 2011, 11:30:12 pm
Quote from: ztrumpet on February 24, 2011, 11:13:55 pm
Okay, this is awesome.  Wonderful game!  I really like it; great job, program4. ;D

Thanks!  :)

Quote from: ztrumpet on February 24, 2011, 11:13:55 pm
One quick suggestion:  Use Pt-On(X,Y,3) and Pt-Off(X,Y,3) for the +s in game three instead of Text(). ;)

I believe you mean game 2 (the upper right corner)  ;). I'll put this in.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 24, 2011, 11:31:12 pm
Hmm I'll try this later. I liked the Simul concept. :D

By the way at first when I saw Quasilat I thought it was gonna be an Illusiat spinoff or something, lol. :P
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 07:15:22 pm
Lol  :P At first I was going to name it Quasilateral (like quadrilateral), but I shortened it to Quasilat since program names can only be 8 characters, and I decided to keep the 8-character Quasilat.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on February 25, 2011, 07:36:24 pm
Quote from: program4 on February 24, 2011, 11:30:12 pm
I believe you mean game 2 (the upper right corner)  ;). I'll put this in.
Ah yes, game two then. :)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 07:55:22 pm
Actually, now that I think about it, it might be better as is right now. Using Pt-On and Pt-Off (the enemy) and Text(  (the character) to test collision detection requires conversion between the two systems, since Text( is based on pixels but Pt-On isn't. This might make the game slower and larger (the decimal points add some bytes).  :-\
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on February 25, 2011, 08:03:18 pm
I always set my window to this:
0->Xmin
94->Xmax
-62->Ymin
0->Ymax
This way, all I have to do to go between Text and Pt is this:
Text(Y,X,"Blah")
Pt-On(X,-Y)
or something like that. :)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 08:06:08 pm
Okay, thanks! I'll try to use this suggestion in my program.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 25, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
I like it! I also like the speed of games even if it's not as fast as Simul. The only complaint is that the avoid game is really hard when it's the only game in action. I can only survive about 5 seconds :/ Also collision detection during the pong game isn't very good because I lose even when hitting the ball most of the time.

Another thing is that you forgot to turn axises off, something so many people still forget.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 08:20:56 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on February 25, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
I like it! I also like the speed of games even if it's not as fast as Simul. The only complaint is that the avoid game is really hard when it's the only game in action. I can only survive about 5 seconds :/

Spoiler For "Avoid":
Let the enemy go close to you, and go to the bottom of the screen. When the enemy catches up, go right, and so on around the box.

Quote from: DJ_O on February 25, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
Another thing is that you forgot to turn axises off, something so many people still forget.

I'm pretty sure I did. The axes are intentionally created so that if you are playing 2, 3, or 4 games at once, you know how far your character can go.

Quote from: DJ_O on February 25, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
Also collision detection during the pong game isn't very good because I lose even when hitting the ball most of the time.

It works fine for me somehow. The ball has to hit the paddle on the top, not the edges, but I can change this.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on February 25, 2011, 08:23:17 pm
Quote from: program4 on February 25, 2011, 08:20:56 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on February 25, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
Another thing is that you forgot to turn axises off, something so many people still forget.

I'm pretty sure I did. The "axises" are intentionally created so that if you are playing 2, 3, or 4 games at once, you know how far your character can go.
Yeah, I thought the same thing the first time I ran it.  You could do something like this instead:
Code: [Select]
Horizontal -31
Horizontal -33
Vertical 46
Vertical 48
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 08:25:38 pm
Thanks! I never thought of using Horizontal and Vertical, as I never used them before.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 25, 2011, 08:26:42 pm
Ah thanks. Idk why I didn't think about that lol. It's because so many people forget to turn them off even when not needed so when I see them appear I tell myself: "Damnit, why does everyone forget?"

By the way I really like the balance idea.

As for collision I definitively think it should be more sensitive to when hitting the paddle, else it can be frustrating x.x
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 25, 2011, 08:29:06 pm
Actually, Balance was from a version of Simul I played online, I think.  ;)

Yeah, I'll change the collision detection for the paddle. I hope it won't slow down the program too much, though...
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 25, 2011, 08:29:52 pm
Yeah I recognized it :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: Ashbad on February 25, 2011, 08:32:59 pm
I saw this and said 'this sounds like illusiat, does his mean DJ is coding again??'

but no :)

anyways, this does looks awesome :D  great job so far ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on February 28, 2011, 07:01:55 pm
Thanks Ashbad!  :D

New update:

Quasilat v0.95

*Created a screen when you beat all 15 levels
*In Pong, the ball can be seen more easily
*In Dodge, the Pt commands are used (instead of Pxl commands), and the graphics are fixed
*Secret feature will be added the next update (hopefully)!

EDIT: Added attachment
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 01, 2011, 08:33:35 pm

Quasilat v0.96

*Fixed the screen when you beat all 15 levels
*Some graphics are fixed in Dodge
*Code timings! (Unfortunately, I lost the paper with the timings on it. I have to recall these from memory.)

Level           Time in seconds (95 frames)
1                                  22
2                                  32
3                                  23
4                                  24
5                                  42
6                                  31
7                                  33
8                                  43
9                                  42
10                                34
11                                52
12                                52
13                                43
14                                52
15                                60

Remember, I had to recall these from memory. Most of them (1,2,3,4,11,12,14,15) are accurate, but others are within 2 or 3 seconds of the value I got. Also, the timings can vary greatly, as pushing a key slightly slows the program.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: Darl181 on March 01, 2011, 08:35:35 pm
Lol I saw this and thought it was the same post as before

Sounds great, keep it up ;D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 02, 2011, 07:03:48 pm
Nice update. It is really hard, though. O.O Nice, however.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: meishe91 on March 02, 2011, 07:08:39 pm
Someone should post a screenshot ;) I haven't been able to try it but it sounds really interesting. Hope all the work in it is going well.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 03, 2011, 10:30:14 pm

Quasilat v1.00

*Added secret feature after you beat all 15 levels

I'm still too lazy to add a good title screen  :P

Also, I would like some feedback about the game. How far did you get? Also, what features would you like to see in this game?
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: jsj795 on March 03, 2011, 11:27:47 pm
nice job! I couldn't get far because it's really hard to play on wabbit :/
I would like to see a highscore table if that's not included already?
I'll try to post a screenshot of me epically failing trying to play >.<

Edit: Posted a screenie and LOL I fail at lvl 5. I hope it's easier to play on calc tho. For the 3rd one (the bottom left) I had to click the DEL with my mouse on wabbit, cuz I don't think they have the key for that
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2011, 02:28:19 am
Actually I survive until level 5 and often die at level 3. Jsj is this from a 83+ ROM? Because for me I swear the game ran faster in WabbitEmu.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: jsj795 on March 04, 2011, 02:39:56 am
This is actually 84+SE ROM... May be it's the newer version that got slower? I never tried the older versions. May be I should compare them
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2011, 02:43:07 am
Ah maybe. Otherwise maybe WabbitEmu just runs faster on my computer. It could be that I was using a 83+SE ROM too, which is slightly faster. Did you use OS 2.53MP?
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: jsj795 on March 04, 2011, 02:45:18 am
No I used 2.43 OS. And when I did compare the older version and the newer version, there doesn't seem to be much difference :/
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2011, 02:52:28 am
Ah ok. That must be on my side, then, or the calc I emulated.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 04, 2011, 08:35:01 pm
The speeds should be about the same.


Quasilat v1.1

*Fixed the secret feature

I attached two versions. One of them, QUASINEW.8xp, has a faster Pong (ball and paddle move twice as fast), a slightly easier Dodge (you move faster), and a slightly easier Balance (pushing DEL moves the balance beam up more, but the falling speed stays the same, so you don't have to push DEL as often). Please let me know which of these "modifications" you like.

Again, some feature requests would be nice.

Also, I could reach level 12 without dying.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 07, 2011, 04:10:03 pm
I like the new version better. At first it seems easy, but I think it is fine because even with the lower difficulty, I still couldn't beat level 5 easily.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 07, 2011, 07:33:00 pm
This is a wonderful game.  I really need to put it on my calculator so I can experience it in it's full glory. :D
The third game seems a little flickery, but that's my only complaint. ;D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 07, 2011, 09:12:16 pm
@jsj: I'll probably save one highscore in a future release.  ;)

@DJ: Well...  ;D

Spoiler For level 3:
Just press DEL and let go, press it again, and let go of it again (all quite quickly), keeping the beam balanced, and you should be fine.
Spoiler For level 5:
First, make sure no enemies are "dangerous" (able to kill you soon if you don't move). If there are, move your character to dodge them. Then, estimate where the ball in Pong will land, and move your paddle to that spot. If you can't quite yet do that (since more "dangerous" enemies came out), move the paddle partially to the desired spot, and dodge the enemies in Dodge. Repeat this process.

@ztrumpet: Thanks! The flicker is caused by Pt-On and Pt-Off being not fast enough, probably, so I'm not sure I can fix it. :-\ I'll try, though.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 07, 2011, 09:44:20 pm
Quote from: program4 on March 07, 2011, 09:12:16 pm
@ztrumpet: Thanks! The flicker is caused by Pt-On and Pt-Off being not fast enough, probably, so I'm not sure I can fix it. :-\ I'll try, though.
Try changing the order of the code so it goes like this (or something similar):
<stuff>
Pt-Off
Line(...0)
Pt-On
Line
<other stuff>
If they're closer together, it won't flicker as much. ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 07, 2011, 10:36:46 pm
Quote from: program4 on March 07, 2011, 09:12:16 pm
@jsj: I'll probably save one highscore in a future release.  ;)

@DJ: Well...  ;D

Spoiler For level 3:
Just press DEL and let go, press it again, and let go of it again (all quite quickly), keeping the beam balanced, and you should be fine.
Spoiler For level 5:
First, make sure no enemies are "dangerous" (able to kill you soon if you don't move). If there are, move your character to dodge them. Then, estimate where the ball in Pong will land, and move your paddle to that spot. If you can't quite yet do that (since more "dangerous" enemies came out), move the paddle partially to the desired spot, and dodge the enemies in Dodge. Repeat this process.

@ztrumpet: Thanks! The flicker is caused by Pt-On and Pt-Off being not fast enough, probably, so I'm not sure I can fix it. :-\ I'll try, though.
Yeah I know, I guess it was because I was playing on emulator. X.x
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 08:46:55 pm

Quasilat v1.2

Lots of new features!

*Used QUASINEW.8xp for the new version, but kept the original Balance game
*The ball in Balance is on top of the balance beam now.
*Fixed the glitch in Balance in the secret mode
*Added highscores!
*Optimized parts of the program; 1969 bytes
*Better title screen! (Well, only a little better...)
*Uploaded to ticalc.org (previous upload was version 0.9)

Quote from: ztrumpet on March 07, 2011, 07:33:00 pm
The third game seems a little flickery, but that's my only complaint. ;D

I think the flickering is better, now that I placed the ball on top of the line.

My high scores:
Normal-1085
Hard-756

Spoiler For And, if you're dying to know what the "secret" mode is...:
Spoiler For Do you really want to know?:
Press [MATH] once at the title screen, and start the game. :)

EDIT: Attached file. How come I always forget? :P
EDIT 2: Fixed the bug ztrumpet mentioned.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:13:12 pm
Wonderful game (after I hacked my way in).  It looks very polished, except there's no way to get a highscore on hard without first knowing to press [Math].  I still think the third one is a little flickery, but other than that it's very, very cool. :)

Note:  You cannot take the log of 0.  May I suggest something like this log(Ans+not(Ans)) when you put the value before that expression.  Try running the program after deleting the high score list. ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:20:08 pm
Quote from: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:13:12 pm
Note:  You cannot take the log of 0.  May I suggest something like this log(Ans+not(Ans)) when you put the value before that expression.  Try running the program after deleting the high score list. ;)

Oh, yeah, I was planning to do that, but I forgot when I was coding it in. :P

Quote from: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:13:12 pm
Wonderful game (after I hacked my way in).  It looks very polished, except there's no way to get a highscore on hard without first knowing to press [Math].  I still think the third one is a little flickery, but other than that it's very, very cool. :)

Thanks!

Do you think I should just "give away" the secret feature to prevent confusion?

Also, I'm not sure I can limit the flicker any more.  :(
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:21:24 pm
Maybe moving the box up one pixel would work. :)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:29:02 pm
I'm not sure what you mean. Like, moving the box one up from how it is right now?

Like, from this:

                   o
=============================

To this:

                   o

=============================

Because, if I do that, the ball looks like it is floating in the air sometimes.  :-\
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:35:15 pm
Quote from: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:29:02 pm
Because, if I do that, the ball looks like it is floating in the air sometimes.  :-\
Ah, that could be a little strange.  How are you determining where to place the ball now?
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:37:16 pm
So, I have the equation of the line. I use that, and given the x-coordinate of the point, I find the y-coordinate so that the point lies on the line. Then, I move the point 2 pixels up. I think the floating is caused by how the line is made of pixels instead of being perfectly straight...
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ralphdspam on March 09, 2011, 09:48:45 pm
I am having a problem running the program.  :(
Every time the parser runs into
Code: [Select]
1+2randInt(1,16), it says "ERR:OVERFLOW" ???
(When I run it from HomeScreen, it does the same thing too)
Perhaps an OS 2.55 problem?
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:50:06 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on March 09, 2011, 09:48:45 pm
I am having a problem running the program.  :(
Every time the parser runs into
Code: [Select]
1+2randInt(1,16), it says "ERR:OVERFLOW" ???
(When I run it from HomeScreen, it does the same thing too)
Perhaps an OS 2.55 problem?
Try doing a 0->rand on the homescreen.  (Some assembly program didn't clip their sprites...)

Quote from: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:37:16 pm
So, I have the equation of the line. I use that, and given the x-coordinate of the point, I find the y-coordinate so that the point lies on the line. Then, I move the point 2 pixels up. I think the floating is caused by how the line is made of pixels instead of being perfectly straight...
Okay, cool.  What if you did a pixel test on each of the corners to see if it needs to move up or down after finding the y, as "fine tuning"? :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:52:30 pm
Quote from: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:50:06 pm
Quote from: ralphdspam on March 09, 2011, 09:48:45 pm
I am having a problem running the program.  :(
Every time the parser runs into
Code: [Select]
1+2randInt(1,16), it says "ERR:OVERFLOW" ???
(When I run it from HomeScreen, it does the same thing too)
Perhaps an OS 2.55 problem?
Try doing a 0->rand on the homescreen.  (Some assembly program didn't clip their sprites...)

I had that problem twice also, after I used Doors CS to run some assembly programs. I just used the "Reset Defaults" option in the memory menu, but I guess ztrumpet's solution is better :P

For my program, I'm probably just going to have the "hard" mode as an option in the main menu, since it is basically impossible to beat level 15. :P

Quote from: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:50:06 pm
Quote from: program4 on March 09, 2011, 09:37:16 pm
So, I have the equation of the line. I use that, and given the x-coordinate of the point, I find the y-coordinate so that the point lies on the line. Then, I move the point 2 pixels up. I think the floating is caused by how the line is made of pixels instead of being perfectly straight...
Okay, cool.  What if you did a pixel test on each of the corners to see if it needs to move up or down after finding the y, as "fine tuning"? :D

I could try that. Hopefully it won't slow the program down too much.  :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 09, 2011, 09:56:53 pm
Oh, I should mention that storing any number to rand will work.  It's called seeding the random number generator. ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ralphdspam on March 09, 2011, 10:08:03 pm
Oh, so all I had to do was seed the rand?
I love doing that.  I always tell my friends that I can predict the next random number. lol

The game is a great speed for basic, and the controls are very responsive.  :)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 09, 2011, 10:22:09 pm
Thanks, ralphdspam!

@ztrumpet: I don't think the pxl-Test( thing will work. I tried it, and the speed dropped from about 4 frames/second to under 3, and the graphics don't end up well. I attached the file in case you want to look at it.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 11, 2011, 04:39:55 pm
Yeah, I also don't like that as well.  I guess it's fine with the flicker. ;)

One thing I noticed when I glanced at the code:
You have some code like "formula->Str0:expr(Str0 which is pretty cool, but it could be optimized if you wrote it like this: "formula->u:u (the 'u' is [2nd] [7])  I hope this helps. :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 12, 2011, 06:02:34 pm
Quote from: ztrumpet on March 11, 2011, 04:39:55 pm
Yeah, I also don't like that as well.  I guess it's fine with the flicker. ;)

One thing I noticed when I glanced at the code:
You have some code like "formula->Str0:expr(Str0 which is pretty cool, but it could be optimized if you wrote it like this: "formula->u:u (the 'u' is [2nd] [7])  I hope this helps. :D

That code was just the one that attempted to deal with the flicker, so it won't be included.  ;)
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 12, 2011, 10:50:35 pm
Okay, sounds good.  For the record, I've used this a lot in my Homescreen Game Pack, with "42=abs(getKey-63->u .  I also use Ans or K instead of the getKey for maximum space savings (I use u, v, and w).  If you want, you can do that with any of the Y= vars, in any of the four modes.  There are even more if you use XtraVar (by Calc84), but I've never used more than 4 at the same time. ;D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 13, 2011, 11:14:08 am
Okay, thanks.  ;D

So, should I make the "hard" mode available to those who didn't beat the normal mode yet? I'm leaning towards a yes, since I never beat the game on "normal" mode. (My high score is 1231 out of 1426, I believe).
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 15, 2011, 02:03:56 pm
Yeah I would make it available from the start.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 16, 2011, 08:39:55 pm
Okay, I included that in this version.


Quasilat v1.4
*Option to choose Normal or Hard mode from the start
*Shows your score after you lose
*Shaved off some bytes

My high scores:
Normal-1231
Hard-756
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 16, 2011, 09:28:33 pm
This program is great. :)
How long until the "final" release? :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 16, 2011, 09:29:30 pm
Well, as long as no one has any suggestions or bugs, this might be the final.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 23, 2011, 02:43:15 pm
Nice, are you planning to upload it in the Omni downloads section as well as ticalc.org?
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 23, 2011, 03:53:49 pm
Yeah. I'm a little busy this week, so it might be a while.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 23, 2011, 03:58:32 pm
Ah ok sorry to hear. :(
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 28, 2011, 08:31:02 pm
The final release!


Quasilat v2.0
*11 bytes more efficient

Attachment below, and also uploaded to ticalc.org.
Title: Quasilat v2.0
Post by: program4 on March 28, 2011, 11:22:43 pm
Quasilat v2.0



http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=642

Quasilat is a game where you play many games simultaneously! You start out from 1 game at a time, increasing to 2 and 3 games at once, until the grand finale of 4 games at once! At only 452=2025 bytes and including 15 levels and 2 modes, this game is a must-have for anyone!
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 29, 2011, 01:39:52 am
Awesome, and as you can notice by the auto-post, file has been approved in the archives as well. :D
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: program4 on March 29, 2011, 08:09:34 pm
Thanks, DJ!  :D

Version 2.1 is out!


Quasilat v2.1
*Fixed some errors after you beat the game
*Changed Balance (the third game)- now, use STAT for this game. Pushing it reverses the direction of movement of the balance beam. I did this because it's almost impossible when you get to level 13, since the balance game used to require about half of the 96 frames to stay alive, not leaving enough for other games (since TI-BASIC only allows one keypress at a time).
*Currently at 2042 bytes (452+42+12)

EDIT: Added attachment.
Title: Re: Quasilat
Post by: ztrumpet on March 29, 2011, 08:47:13 pm
Awesome!  This is a wonderful game that everyone should try.  Great job, program4! ;D