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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2010, 12:23:45 am »
Wow I just saw this and was shocked at how similar it is to the SNES version! Nice job TP77! As for the screen size, I don't really mind, because in the original, game was not even full screen anyway. Only one suggestion, though: I think the ship should move a little slower, else it might be hard to control. It would be nice if it was tilted in the direction it was moving. Maybe use the sprites posted above.

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2010, 12:29:45 am »
This is astounding!  The quality and speed of this is incredible!  Are you using ZSorting?  How are you dealing with the depth sorting problem? 

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2010, 12:40:31 am »
This is astounding!  The quality and speed of this is incredible!  Are you using ZSorting?  How are you dealing with the depth sorting problem? 

Ehh... I'm not. I just try to layer it so that it looks nice. If I can figure out a fast way to do it, I will, but currently I draw: tile map, enemies, bullets, ship. For the most part, everything is usually in this order. The problem I see with massive sorting is that I would have to make some big buffer that keeps track of everything to be written the the screen polygon or sprite. And then sort through it. I could do it, I just don't know if it would kill my speed.

Part of the reason this runs so fast is because I use shortcuts like this.
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2010, 12:43:58 am »
Ah gotcha, that sounds like an excellent shortcut :) And with so few colors, i imagine it wont even be noticed, or if it is, it will be very small.

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2010, 03:28:18 am »
Wow...O.O
And they said this was impossible...
I can't wait for it to get finished!

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2010, 04:18:56 am »
O.O

That is simply... breathtaking!
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2010, 08:11:44 am »
Oh yeah thats the stuff, simply amazing :).
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2010, 08:38:46 am »
Looks very good! How many poly's/quad's can it handle? And I suppose there is no lighting (would be a overkill i think)?
Anyway, great job on this so far!
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2010, 10:52:47 am »
I'm not exactly sure how many it can handle. Space wise, it could do in the thousands. But as far as speed, I would imagine at 7 or 8 tiles of 4 polygons each you would notice slow downs. But I haven't tried it yet.

No lighting. I will now talk about another shortcut related to that. I store all the vertices in a table xyz. Then I have a table right after it which defines all the polygons. They each say what vertices they use, what color they are, and what side they are viewable from. So for instance:

tDarkQuad(dLeft, 0, 3, 7, 4)

I'm not even going to step through it. But what's important is that the shape is only drawn if the screen's x coordinate is left of vertex 0.
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2010, 11:02:27 am »
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I think we've gone so far past the whole "A graphing calculator is for math!" argument, we've left it lost forever. Like a mother-in-law you keep away. Far, far away. In a desert where the cacti may prey upon their tortured souls. And where you're in a nice, cool house someplace on the other side of the world. Yeah. That argument of a mother-in-law is so far out of sight, and out of mind, why are we even making references to it? Why can't it die in the desert like you wanted her? I mean, it's why you dumped it from the plane into the Sahara desert to begin with. I mean the sandy parts, so it'll live for a little bit. You want nothing to do with that abomination and you wish you had never heard of it to begin with. Graphing calculators, for math? What kind of rubbish have you never heard of?

Erh. What I mean to say is... great job with the Starfox game. Haven't seen anything that pushed the limits of what the calc can do since calc84's mode 7 engine and (his? I dunno) that 8 level grayscale Chip's Challenge game.

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2010, 01:14:56 pm »
I remember that someone had an idea for a 3D non-raycasting engine, but it never got off the ground.  The fact that there exists something 3D for the Ti-83+ that isn't "raycasting" is amazing.

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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2010, 02:58:24 pm »
I'm not exactly sure how many it can handle. Space wise, it could do in the thousands. But as far as speed, I would imagine at 7 or 8 tiles of 4 polygons each you would notice slow downs. But I haven't tried it yet.

No lighting. I will now talk about another shortcut related to that. I store all the vertices in a table xyz. Then I have a table right after it which defines all the polygons. They each say what vertices they use, what color they are, and what side they are viewable from. So for instance:

tDarkQuad(dLeft, 0, 3, 7, 4)

I'm not even going to step through it. But what's important is that the shape is only drawn if the screen's x coordinate is left of vertex 0.
Thanks for the info. Sorry if I offend you by what I am going to say next but couldn't you better use dithering instead of grayscale and let it take up the whole screen? Altough a clear side effect would be that you can't have custom sized sprites...(well you can but it's slightly slower I guess). Don't get me wrong. I like greyscale, I was just wondering if it would be practical/faster.
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2010, 03:00:17 pm »
It doesn't look near as good :P
Interesting idea, though.
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2010, 03:58:43 pm »
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I think we've gone so far past the whole "A graphing calculator is for math!" argument, we've left it lost forever. Like a mother-in-law you keep away. Far, far away. In a desert where the cacti may prey upon their tortured souls. And where you're in a nice, cool house someplace on the other side of the world. Yeah. That argument of a mother-in-law is so far out of sight, and out of mind, why are we even making references to it? Why can't it die in the desert like you wanted her? I mean, it's why you dumped it from the plane into the Sahara desert to begin with. I mean the sandy parts, so it'll live for a little bit. You want nothing to do with that abomination and you wish you had never heard of it to begin with. Graphing calculators, for math? What kind of rubbish have you never heard of?

Um... Thanks Iambian. lol

Thanks for the info. Sorry if I offend you by what I am going to say next but couldn't you better use dithering instead of grayscale and let it take up the whole screen? Altough a clear side effect would be that you can't have custom sized sprites...(well you can but it's slightly slower I guess). Don't get me wrong. I like greyscale, I was just wondering if it would be practical/faster.

I don't care if people offer suggestions. Someone might make the game twice as fast :)  I'm not exactly sure what you mean by dithering, but if you mean mostly one color with speckles of the other. Then the way I draw the polygons would make that way slower. I can only draw solid colored shapes.


Now for the update. I have included Magic Banana's and tloz's sprites to create the barrel roll. Since all 24 sprites for the barrel roll were going to be 4,536 bytes, I only included 6 and rotate the rest out when the program starts.

I also had to write my own vPutS routine because the OS one disables interrupts for a second. But no worries, it searches the os for the letter sprites, it doesn't keep the entire set in the program.
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Re: Star Fox
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2010, 04:02:54 pm »
I think he means, instead of having greyscale, have it in black and white but with a texture that approximates the grey.
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